Jermaine O'Neal on player responsibility
Old 02-03-2009, 09:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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read this on Doug Smith's blog this morning... wow, someone admitting the team doesn't work very hard...

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For all you who think Jay has some huge responsibility for what’s going on, I bring to your attention this quote from Jermaine O’Neal at practice yesterday:

“There are no Xs and Os, there’s no anything. You have to be determined to get out of the hole.

“Players win and lose ballgames. Coaches can do all they can do but at the end of the day, we have to put forth the effort to go out there and translate what the coaches have put in, we’ve got to play hard, we’ve got to play physical and we have to out-play the other team.

“There’s going to be nights when we don’t shoot the ball very well but we can’t give up plays like we’ve been giving them up. Plays at the rim, wide open jump shots, that’s something that no coach (can do).

“You can go to the grave and get some of the greatest coaches who’ve ever coached basketball and they won’t be able to do anything with that. You have to put forth more effort and more determination and willpower and the physicality has to step up and we’re just not doing that right now.”


It goes to one thing I’ve been saying for years: Coaches get too much blame when things go wrong and too much credit when things go right.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So maybe he should look at the mirror too, when he takes fade-away jumpers and looks for his own shot.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Maybe he needs to stop playing with those elastics around his legs.
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:34 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Coaches get too much blame when things go wrong and too much credit when things go right.
He is dead right on this one

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Old 02-03-2009, 10:36 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Man he sure talks a good game.

Now he needs to walk it.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:04 AM   #6 (permalink)
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ohh JO always the most smart and mature player on our team .. i<3u but dont tell anyone
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:14 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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at last someone on the team is willing to call out his teammates
i always believed it should've been JO as he has the star level surrounding his name and he is the newer player on the team that hasn't been here playing the same jump shot style with no drive
possibly he was waiting for a time like this when he is fairly healthy and part of the team's play, as if he did it when he was injured nobody on the team would listen to him as he was more distant from the team's play
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The whole team needs to be called out for their work ethic. All we heard at the beginning of the year was how J.O. wasn't in game shape. I realize he hadn't played much over the last couple of years but the off-season is long enough to get the lungs and legs together. The only guys who really came to camp ready to go were Bargs and Parker IMO.
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Great - we have JO calling out teammates while spending entire stretches underneath the basket. This was the guy who was supposed to get us rebounds and allow for some aggressive D. But he does no work in terms of gaining any kind of good position on the floor where he can bring any of that to fruition.

I love the words and completely agree. I can't stand watching the guy on the floor.
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Great - we have JO calling out teammates while spending entire stretches underneath the basket. .
Yeah, he doesn't have the mobility to do any of the things he's talking about.
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Old 02-03-2009, 02:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The only guys who really came to camp ready to go were Bargs and Parker IMO.
really?

Seems to me Graham looked tight in pre-season, and ripped.

Bosh lit the league up for the first 6 weeks.

Jose was on fire before he got hurt and looked very good.

Solomon was no worse than now, Ukic was in great shape, but learning the ropes.

Hump was firing on all cylinders.

hmm.

Ya man, I dunno, you ain't winning me over with that statement, because when you look at it, you're pretty much 100% off base.
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Tired of hearing players saying what they should do... they should do it... Joey is the only one who consistently attacks the basket... and occasionally shoots an ugly midrange shot... but Bosh has said stuff about being aggressive and then takes jumpers at least 5 times this season... now it's JO's turn
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Yeah I seen this on Raptors today, was glad to hear it too. It'd be great to keep him around in a Derrick Martin type role IMO, but obviously he's not going for that in this stage of his career. The money's he's being given is just too much and not worth it for his production so.... peace bombs.
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really?

Seems to me Graham looked tight in pre-season, and ripped.

Bosh lit the league up for the first 6 weeks.

Jose was on fire before he got hurt and looked very good.

Solomon was no worse than now, Ukic was in great shape, but learning the ropes.

Hump was firing on all cylinders.

hmm.

Ya man, I dunno, you ain't winning me over with that statement, because when you look at it, you're pretty much 100% off base.
There's more to coming to camp ready to play than being in great shape. Maybe Joey should have spent more time watching video/studying the playbook. Ukic's jumper is a mess. I'll give you Hump, but Jose hurt that hammy at the Olympics. Bosh was in good shape after his Olympic experience but did he add anything new to his game? Where is all this new defensive prowess he supposedly learned?
Granted, I'm probably just projecting my disappointment with the fact that Moon didn't gain a pound last summer onto the whole team.
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Old 02-03-2009, 02:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
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First off, Someone needs to show JO the proper way to Hula Hoop.



Secondly, No Fucking Shit.


As much as I hat to say it, I mean really hate.

Some of the guys definately played harder under Mitchell
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First off, Someone needs to show JO the proper way to Hula Hoop.



Secondly, No Fucking Shit.


As much as I hat to say it, I mean really hate.

Some of the guys definately played harder under Mitchell
Please go on...like maybe suggesting that everyone was held equally accountable and it wasn't on Bosh alone to carry the blame. And I still say JO was the primary reason that Sam is gone, since he was relying on him to back up his talk, and he just wasn't ready, willing, and (most of all) able to do anything more than look as good as he could individually.

My question is how does Messina make everything work so well then, if it's really all about the players?
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Messina demands player to perform, Sam did the same thing.

And Bosh does carry more of the blame than the other players, so does Triano.

If players arent playing, man up and take them out.

For Bosh, you are the leader....lead.
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If Messina is demanding and able to bring that within a sense of overall structure that is accepted then that would be great. The thing is that Sam himself was no longer as demanding as he was before. He looked for the players to police themselves, and that means more than just Bosh. I'd say Bosh has lead. But if he's the only guy squawking, then it might as well be the coach. There has to be a good recognition of what is right and wrong, and it has to be backed up with action. That's what is ultimately missing with this team. Together there is just too much denial, and not enough cohesion. And I would doubt if Messina or any Messiah could get past that problem.
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