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Turrible 06-02-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 649349)
I'd be happy with Sullinger, Barnes, Lamb or Lillard at 8. Obviously Barnes and Sullinger would slip a little and if the raps want to keep Sullinger, Bargs would have to be dealt.

If we draft Sullinger I will probably kill myself. He has Sean May written all over him. Personally, I'm hoping for Lamb or PJ3

LOG 06-02-2012 10:30 AM

i trust in BC so let him do what he does best, draft some talent!

Deez 06-02-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by box1992 (Post 649535)
I really have a bad feeling about marshall

So do I. He may be the definition of a one dimensional player. I'd be very surprised if Colangelo picked him at #8.

LOG 06-02-2012 10:39 AM

Guys you do realize that this thread is about Lamb right? most of other players in our drafting range have threads about them too, lets try and not make this a mess :cookie:

jrob23 06-02-2012 12:17 PM

At the 8, i say we take a gamble on Perry Jones


sure he has some motivation and consistency questions, but the right coach can make that be a non-factor


either way i'm still not over us piling on those meaningless wins late in the season, Kidd-Gilchrist >>>> a minimally improved team morale for getting a few wins late in the season

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 06-02-2012 12:29 PM

PJIII alread plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves :cookie:

Brain 06-02-2012 01:16 PM

NO Sullinger please!!
 
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Originally Posted by Turrible (Post 649618)
If we draft Sullinger I will probably kill myself. He has Sean May written all over him. Personally, I'm hoping for Lamb or PJ3

I agree!! Eew no Sullinger for me please! He is the 2012 version of Stromile Swift, he will be horrifying for any franchise to own, please God don't make it the Toronto Raptors!! :eek:

Brain 06-02-2012 01:20 PM

blargh
 
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Originally Posted by jrob23 (Post 649646)
At the 8, i say we take a gamble on Perry Jones


sure he has some motivation and consistency questions, but the right coach can make that be a non-factor


either way i'm still not over us piling on those meaningless wins late in the season, Kidd-Gilchrist >>>> a minimally improved team morale for getting a few wins late in the season

eew no, he is a forward tweener, doesn't have the speed to defend small forwards or the power to stop opposing power forwards. He has good raw stuff but no way is he worth gambling the number 8 pick with. :nonono:

carp 06-02-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brain (Post 649664)
I agree!! Eew no Sullinger for me please! He is the 2012 version of Stromile Swift, he will be horrifying for any franchise to own, please God don't make it the Toronto Raptors!! :eek:

While I agree I don't want Sullinger, I'd say Perry Jones is more Stromile and Sullinger is more Scoreless Williamson.

scarfox 06-02-2012 02:14 PM

Draft Lamb, move derozan to SF, make sure both add 10-15 lbs! Perry Jones III is second best choice.

Should we also sign UFA Chris Kaman? rebounder, scorer, and blocker who could start with bargnani at pf, and valanciunas and davis off bench, and amir the 5th guy or amnesty/trade.

finstock 06-02-2012 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brain (Post 649664)
I agree!! Eew no Sullinger for me please! He is the 2012 version of Stromile Swift, he will be horrifying for any franchise to own, please God don't make it the Toronto Raptors!! :eek:

Uhh... wha??! Swift was an athletic freak with no post game and non-existent bball IQ, two areas in which Sullinger excels. I'm not even much of a proponent of Sullinger, but that may be the worst comparison I've ever heard, including the infamous 'Deshawn Stevenson/Michael Jordan comp'. So I hope it was tongue in cheek. Sullinger is going to rebound and get easy buckets at the next level. He's got Boozer, Scola, even Love upside. Not bad at 8.

And not to hijack this thread, yes, I'd be content with Lamb.

jeffb 06-02-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scarfox (Post 649681)
Draft Lamb, move derozan to SF, make sure both add 10-15 lbs! Perry Jones III is second best choice.

Should we also sign UFA Chris Kaman? rebounder, scorer, and blocker who could start with bargnani at pf, and valanciunas and davis off bench, and amir the 5th guy or amnesty/trade.

A rookie starting @ SG and Derozan starting @SF? :confused2:

Turrible 06-02-2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by scarfox (Post 649681)
Draft Lamb, move derozan to SF, make sure both add 10-15 lbs! Perry Jones III is second best choice.

Should we also sign UFA Chris Kaman? rebounder, scorer, and blocker who could start with bargnani at pf, and valanciunas and davis off bench, and amir the 5th guy or amnesty/trade.

I like this plan for our frontcourt, although I would keep Derozan at SG and draft PJ3 for SF

Brain 06-02-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 649683)
Uhh... wha??! Swift was an athletic freak with no post game and non-existent bball IQ, two areas in which Sullinger excels. I'm not even much of a proponent of Sullinger, but that may be the worst comparison I've ever heard, including the infamous 'Deshawn Stevenson/Michael Jordan comp'. So I hope it was tongue in cheek. Sullinger is going to rebound and get easy buckets at the next level. He's got Boozer, Scola, even Love upside. Not bad at 8.

And not to hijack this thread, yes, I'd be content with Lamb.

I just meant that he will be a horrible player to own like the 20002005 Vancouver/Memphis Grizzlies learned with Swift. Teasing you with just enough but never really worth the time and effort in the end. Just a hunch, something about him reminds me of stro, can't put my finger on it.

DSWC 06-02-2012 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by scarfox (Post 649681)
Draft Lamb, move derozan to SF, make sure both add 10-15 lbs! Perry Jones III is second best choice.

Should we also sign UFA Chris Kaman? rebounder, scorer, and blocker who could start with bargnani at pf, and valanciunas and davis off bench, and amir the 5th guy or amnesty/trade.

While I have nothing against Lamb, I think people are getting a little carried away. If we draft Lamb, I think he needs to come off of the bench to PUSH DeRozan and we need an upgrade at SF or keep JJ or LK at the 3.

Bargnani is already a sub-par (at best) rebounder and so is DD. If we have below average rebounders at the 2,3 and 4 spots, we'd get absolutely murdered.

Our ideal SF is somebody that can spread the floor, and rebound. Drafting Lamb and moving Demar to SF is NOT the answer!

EggsToTheBBQ 06-02-2012 04:38 PM

Personally, I think that there are some very good options in this draft.

I like everyone that's projected in the top ten except Drummond.

I think that PJ3 could be a really good fit here, also I think it might be worth trading up a couple of spots and grabbing Barnes/MKG.

I'm in favor of finding a long term starter at SF in this draft.

Portland's first pick could be the one to target in a trade. There's a good chance that one of Barnes/MKG will be available there, and there's also a good chance that Portland would be interested in getting Sullinger at 8.

Drafting Henson or Sullinger would be a mistake, because it would be very difficult to find minutes for them, and they'll need those minutes to improve.

Any of the prospects that can play PG/SG/SF will be able to find meaningful minutes with the roster as it is.

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 06-02-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 649683)
Uhh... wha??! Swift was an athletic freak with no post game and non-existent bball IQ, two areas in which Sullinger excels. I'm not even much of a proponent of Sullinger, but that may be the worst comparison I've ever heard, including the infamous 'Deshawn Stevenson/Michael Jordan comp'. So I hope it was tongue in cheek. Sullinger is going to rebound and get easy buckets at the next level. He's got Boozer, Scola, even Love upside. Not bad at 8.

And not to hijack this thread, yes, I'd be content with Lamb.

Agree 1000%. Terrible comparison for Sullinger.

I love Sully but don't want him in Toronto because he doesn't fit a need for this team.

As you already said, I would argue Sullinger has the highest BB IQ in this draft. The dude knows the game(his dad was a big time HS coach in Ohio for YEARS and two brothers played College Basketball and overseas). He knows the game and how to play. He knows how to rebound like you said. He also knows how to use his body down low and improved his jumper. He will get shots blocked cause he is undersize and not a big time athlete. I think he will be a 13/8 guy. A better Big Baby Davis.

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 06-03-2012 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 649418)
I could use DVS on this one and he might be the only person to back me up on it.

Lamb is overrated. Period. He looked lost in Connecticut (so did that entire team).

We're talking about his defense? I saw him blown by on a lot of possessions and seemed to take some plays off. There was hype around him coming in and a lot of it was unfounded imo.

So yeah, I'm the vote that said pass.


Fair points from you Claudius and DVS later on.

UCONN was a mess this year. Team chemistry was bad, players didn't play together and some just played 1on1 a lot of times. Coaching problems during the season, etc. It was a mess. The whole year was. I think Lamb lack motivation problems this season. There were times where it looked like he just didn't give a shit. Same could be said about the whole team. As you said, DVS said, and I've said, that team was just a disappointment.


With that said though.......

Lamb to me is a very solid prospect. At #8, I would take him(if others don't fall). Great wingspan(7-4), solid athlete, does need to build some muscle up but with NBA training that will not be a problem, good shooter.

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With that said, Lamb was still a very efficient scorer inside the arc as a sophomore, able to use an array of floaters and smoothly pull up in mid-range, making things look easy at times. His 60% on 2-pointers this season was actually the highest of any shooting guard in our top 100.

As we've mentioned before, in addition to his talents off the dribble, Lamb is also an outstanding jump shooter. He has range well past the NBA 3-point line and can shoot the ball with his feet set, off the dribble, or running off screens. He's shown nice footwork coming off curls and does an excellent job creating space, squaring himself, and elevating to get off his jumper

If Lamb can fix his lack of motivation, shot selection, etc, he will be a very solid player in the NBA. To me those can be fixed, once Lamb "gets it".

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 06-03-2012 12:15 AM

My rated prospects:

1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Robinson
4. Barnes
5. Lamb
6. Beal
7. Rivers

Not as big on Beal as others now. Don't know much about Lillard to know where to rate him. Even though I watch a lot of CBB, Weber State is one team I didn't watch. Way too much risk for Drummond for me. Not worth it to me. I think the risk is just way too high to take a chance on. Same with Perry Jones. I'm bigger on Rivers then a lot of other people have been. I think his game fits the NBA.

finstock 06-03-2012 02:14 AM

^^^ Drummond worries me, too. Even if he realizes his full potential, talent wise, a la Amare or Bynum, I think his motor, or lack thereof, will always leave fans wanting more. If BC believes Casey can consistently rev his motor, he might have great value at 8. I can see him falling all the way to the Pistons.

I'm really high on Lillard. Reminds me of Billups. Bigger PG with smooth stroke, who will knock down the J if you go under the screen and is crafty enough to get into the lane if you chase.


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