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Old 07-13-2008, 06:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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He's got a pretty shot that's for sure. But I mean, 3rd string, is that really gonna help us a lot?
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:42 PM   #22 (permalink)
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What Jeff he said. Not only was there a lack of separation among players last season, but there was also some terrible timing of injuries just as rotations were finally coming together nicely, forcing guys to play out of their comfort zones and causing more need to find what worked on both ends.

Unless JO works out horribly, he alone is going to make it easy to shorten the rotation and gain some much needed consistency from that rotation.
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:12 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Your management would be fools not to give Carroll a shot for a year. Yeah his defense is bad but there's plenty of NBA'ers in that category. He makes up for a lot of that in his sheer hustle and motor by getting rebounds, loose balls and timely steals.

Jaycee has more determination, work ethic, and just love of basketball than anyone you've ever seen. You won't see a kid play harder anywhere. His motor never stops.

Jaycee made huge strides in the Nets Camp in Orlando playing point guard. He can seemingly get past his defender at will and when he does he puts his team in great shape because he is capable of either stopping and popping from anywhere, getting to the rim and/or getting fouled, or dishing it off.

No he is not a pure point guard but he has demonstratably increased his ball handling and passing even since the end of year. As a score first backup at either position he will bring energy and instant offense.

He will also be a fan favorite. The way he plays just grows on you.

Jaycee was one of the best rookie athletes at point guard in the predraft workouts. He has a fourty inch vertical, he won the shuttle run against 14 other point guards in Chicago, and he runs a 4-minute mile. What he doesn;t have in lateral quickness he makes up for in speed and pure hustle. He averaged over 6 boards a game as a 6-2 shooting guard his last year two years in College.

All this aside is that having watched him for four years, I am shocked at how easily he has adapted his new roles. I doubted that he could play point guard or get to the hole so easily against opposing PG. I've been wrong so far.

Oh, and did I mention he can shoot lights out from anywhere. Give him an inch to work with and he'll knock it down from anywhere. Reggie Theus who coached against JC for 2 years with New Mexico State called him the best shooter he had ever seen.

You would be insane to take JJ Redick instead of Carroll as some people here have posted. Jaycee is a far better shooter (see College Stats). In addition he is a better rebounder and even a better ball handler.

If you want to discount the shooting because Reddick played at Duke in the ACC then just watch some highlights. Jaycee rarely got any spot up threes his last year. Everything was off screens, fakes, or a few pull ups and he still shot 50% 3's and 55% twos.

Reddick on the other hand had elite talent and scored on a lot of open spot up shots and still shot a lower percentage.

How could you justify not finding a roster spot to see what he can do. If he keeps scoring on his point a minute pace in summer league then somebody else will pick up if you don't
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Jaycee has more determination, work ethic, and just love of basketball than anyone you've ever seen. You won't see a kid play harder anywhere. His motor never stops.
Why isn't he in the league?
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:23 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Hrmmmmm is aggie2000 Jaycee? :type:
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:29 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I think he could be someone like Eddie House...an 'Instant Offense' type of bench player, more then a Matt Carrol type of player. House isn't very big , and he finds ways to help his team. With our improved Interior, I think we could handle having him out there a few minutes a game. And he's just the right price
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If you wanted a dude who was 6'3", under-athletic and is just a spot shooter, why wouldn't we just go after JJ Reddick? At least he has more cred. See how silly that sounds?
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I have no doubt Jaycee is a decent basketball player, but I'm weary at what he can do on a professional level. I just don't see him making any sort of impact with the Raptors at all.
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:11 PM   #29 (permalink)
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regardless, he has at least one skill and signing a one dimensional player to a Jamario Moon non-guaranteed contract is not a bad thing. We no longer have a lot of shooters on our roster, just kapono, AP and Jose and maybe Bargnani. What if kapono gets injured, it would be good to have someone to be able to make a 3pt in the last 10 seconds of a game where we trail by 3 ... I think Jamario made 400k a year, at that salary it would be a shame not to take a chance.
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regardless, he has at least one skill and signing a one dimensional player to a Jamario Moon non-guaranteed contract is not a bad thing. We no longer have a lot of shooters on our roster, just kapono, AP and Jose and maybe Bargnani. What if kapono gets injured, it would be good to have someone to be able to make a 3pt in the last 10 seconds of a game where we trail by 3 ... I think Jamario made 400k a year, at that salary it would be a shame not to take a chance.
Problem with this team is we have NO ONE that can take and make their own shot. Sometimes a team needs a guy who can totally foul things up defensivly for another team by driving the ball inside from the outside-it makes defenses shift and collapse and generally causes confusion. A driving wing player is what is needed-you said so yourself that the shooters left on the team are Jose, AP, Calderon and mabey Bargs-thats more than any team in the NBA
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Problem with this team is we have NO ONE that can take and make their own shot. Sometimes a team needs a guy who can totally foul things up defensivly for another team by driving the ball inside from the outside-it makes defenses shift and collapse and generally causes confusion. A driving wing player is what is needed-you said so yourself that the shooters left on the team are Jose, AP, Calderon and mabey Bargs-thats more than any team in the NBA
Yes, it would be nice to have someone like that at the 2 or 3 spot.

No, there is not a chance that the player we have yet to bring in, the 13th man, will provide that. If we couldn't track someone like that down with our first 12 roster spots, what makes you think we are going to find a free agent to fill the 13th spot who can do that well enough to have an impact at the NBA level?

Expecting your 13th man to be a go to offensive threat is unrealistic.

Besides...Bosh and Jermaine can't take and make their own shots? Bosh and Jermaine don't collapse the defense?
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:27 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Your management would be fools not to give Carroll a shot for a year. Yeah his defense is bad but there's plenty of NBA'ers in that category. He makes up for a lot of that in his sheer hustle and motor by getting rebounds, loose balls and timely steals.

Jaycee has more determination, work ethic, and just love of basketball than anyone you've ever seen. You won't see a kid play harder anywhere. His motor never stops.

Jaycee made huge strides in the Nets Camp in Orlando playing point guard. He can seemingly get past his defender at will and when he does he puts his team in great shape because he is capable of either stopping and popping from anywhere, getting to the rim and/or getting fouled, or dishing it off.

No he is not a pure point guard but he has demonstratably increased his ball handling and passing even since the end of year. As a score first backup at either position he will bring energy and instant offense.

He will also be a fan favorite. The way he plays just grows on you.

Jaycee was one of the best rookie athletes at point guard in the predraft workouts. He has a fourty inch vertical, he won the shuttle run against 14 other point guards in Chicago, and he runs a 4-minute mile. What he doesn;t have in lateral quickness he makes up for in speed and pure hustle. He averaged over 6 boards a game as a 6-2 shooting guard his last year two years in College.

All this aside is that having watched him for four years, I am shocked at how easily he has adapted his new roles. I doubted that he could play point guard or get to the hole so easily against opposing PG. I've been wrong so far.

Oh, and did I mention he can shoot lights out from anywhere. Give him an inch to work with and he'll knock it down from anywhere. Reggie Theus who coached against JC for 2 years with New Mexico State called him the best shooter he had ever seen.

You would be insane to take JJ Redick instead of Carroll as some people here have posted. Jaycee is a far better shooter (see College Stats). In addition he is a better rebounder and even a better ball handler.

If you want to discount the shooting because Reddick played at Duke in the ACC then just watch some highlights. Jaycee rarely got any spot up threes his last year. Everything was off screens, fakes, or a few pull ups and he still shot 50% 3's and 55% twos.

Reddick on the other hand had elite talent and scored on a lot of open spot up shots and still shot a lower percentage.

How could you justify not finding a roster spot to see what he can do. If he keeps scoring on his point a minute pace in summer league then somebody else will pick up if you don't
Hey aggie, welcome to RF first of all

Second. I disagree with some of the parts in your post. Jaycee has a great shot, but still lacks defense much more. I can't see BC signing this guy, really, I don't. He doesn't seem the right kind of basketball player that I appreciate. Once he comes (if he ever will) to the NBA, he's going to be chucking shots, anytime, anywhere, and we all know if that happens Sam is gonna sit his ass on the bench in a second.
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For the record, I never saw this guy playing. But if he's that good of a shooter, I think it would be great in the 13th spot. Regardless of who we get, he's not going to play much if at all. Having somebody that is very good at one thing at least makes it a weapon in some scenarios + he'll not ask for playing time or cause problems in the locker. The only thing better is to get lucky and get somebody that can really play, but somehow doesn't get a contract.
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Yes, it would be nice to have someone like that at the 2 or 3 spot.

No, there is not a chance that the player we have yet to bring in, the 13th man, will provide that. If we couldn't track someone like that down with our first 12 roster spots, what makes you think we are going to find a free agent to fill the 13th spot who can do that well enough to have an impact at the NBA level?

Expecting your 13th man to be a go to offensive threat is unrealistic.

Besides...Bosh and Jermaine can't take and make their own shots? Bosh and Jermaine don't collapse the defense?
Definately Bosh and JO can take and make their own shot, and definately collapse defense.

No I dont think someone on for the 13th roster spot will be an offensive threat.

However, if some 1 dimensional player is brought in to fill the roster I would prefer it to be someone who brings something that already isn't on the team in spades, Like a defensive player from the pg/sg spot or a solid rebounder to make someone like hump tradeable.
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It's July.

There's a reason guys like Carroll are in these camps.

He ain't that good. Not starter good, so defineately not Good starter good.

So why bother.
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It's July.

There's a reason guys like Carroll are in these camps.

He ain't that good. Not starter good, so defineately not Good starter good.

So why bother.
I agree with you in this case.

However, everyone and their brother will bring up Jamario Moon to refute that point generally.
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Well to all the people who bring up Moon-He was a once in a lifetime that if the Raps didnt have such serious defeciencies in rebounding/defense would never have made the team.
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Well to all the people who bring up Moon-He was a once in a lifetime that if the Raps didnt have such serious defeciencies in rebounding/defense would never have made the team.
The Raptors no longer have such severe deficiencies defensively or on the boards, yet Moon is still in contention for a starting spot, so I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.

And an undrafted free agent being a solid contributor is once in a lifetime? Again...disagree.
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Name 2 other undrafted free agents that haven't played in Europe. Moon is still in the talks because of the growth he showed last year.
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SWAG.

I got news for ya, you will greatly improve your Won-lost record on these boards if you agree with me more.

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