Jarrett Jack should be starting
Old 04-07-2010, 01:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jarrett Jack should be starting

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Old 04-07-2010, 01:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree, right now Ill even take banks starting over caldy. But as many have pointed out its not up to us.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree, right now Ill even take banks starting over caldy. But as many have pointed out its not up to us.
I really don't understand why the coaching staff can't see this.

Offensively, Calderon can be good at times - but those times are few and far between (we all know about his defense). He's not the same PG that the Raps had success with in 06-07.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree. Calderon is just a jump shooter. Jack has won a lot of games for us this season just by being aggressive.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I really don't understand why the coaching staff can't see this.

Offensively, Calderon can be good at times - but those times are few and far between (we all know about his defense). He's not the same PG that the Raps had success with in 06-07.
BC and Triano still having faith in the euro experiment? I dont know to be honest, i have heard that Triano is a real stubborn guy at times and will just stick to something even if it is not working. I dont know if there is much truth in that but clearly w/e he is doing right now with Calderon in the line up is not working, but again nothing much we can really do about it, it sucks i know.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Is yet another thread about this really necessary?
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It doesn't really matter, Triano gives them roughly the same minutes regardless of who starts. I think the point of focus should be minimizing the time Jose and Hedo spend on the court together. Not that Hedo has been much better playing with Jack... I'd also like to see Jack get 60% of the PT at PG but maybe now with Bosh out Jose can step up on offense.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Only a blind spanish man (jocking!) would prefer caldy on jack
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Is yet another thread about this really necessary?
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This shit is getting old...both are playing the same amount of time, so it doesnt matter who is starting...
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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i think they`re starting Calderon in hopes he gets on one of those streaks where he shits dimes out left and right with limited turnover`s and great shooting. i think they want to move him with jack being reliable and durable as well as hedo being an unmoveable bust
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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At this point I think boosting Jose's trade value trumps any sort of pertinent basketball moves.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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At this point I think boosting Jose's trade value trumps any sort of pertinent basketball moves.
I honestly think that
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think its really not that straight forward now with Bosh out. If Bosh would be playing, I'd say keep the starting lineup. Most people seem to have forget that before the last two bad games, the new starting lineup of Jose-Wright-Weems-Bosh-AB had like five good games. And at this point of schedule I would say keep the starting lineup as its always a distraction for everyone when lineups are changed and it can take couple of games to recover.

But now with Bosh out, we need to change the lineup anyway, so changing the PG could be done at the same time. This even gives Triano an excuse to do it, so it might happen. But for me it depend who else is inserted. Based on history Id say Triano wont start Amir as he feels Amir succeeds best when coming from bench to bring energy. Depending on the match up we could go with Hedo-Weems-Wright all at the same time, but I dont see that working against Boston. But if that would be the case I would certainly go with Jack.

But Im more inclined to think Triano will go with experience and Rasho at this point. He can guard Perkins under the basket and is a stabile and dependable player. Or he might go with Evans too. Either way I'd start Jose with those guys and see if he can create the offense that is missing with Bosh. Jack might be able to do it too, but Im afraid he might be too selfish in this situation and he is also more turnover prone which is a bit of a risk against Rondo. But even if I would start Calderon, I would be more than willing to make a quick sub if it doesnt work. Triano always waits until 8 minute mark to make changes, but I would be quicker with the hook, if Calderon isnt getting it done offensively. Same goes for whoever starts at PF/C. If it doesnt work make substitutions.

Of course that wont happen as Triano is never willing to make subs early even when people are clearly strugglin.

Anyway Triano has a chance to change PG's now, but I think he also is trying to look at the big picture. Jose and Hedo being our main guys off the bench doesnt feel good to me. They just arent that good together.

Oh and to people saying we should play Banks for defensive purposes: It just might be that we are going to have bigger problems in offense tonight against a good defensive team of Boston and without Bosh. Without Jose or Jack on the floor we wont have many guys on the floor that can create (Hedo and AB are the only ones basically). So we might need Jose/Jack for offensive purposes on the floor at all times. It would be totally different against some other team though.
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This shit is getting old...both are playing the same amount of time, so it doesnt matter who is starting...
And how's that been working out for the Raptors?

I started the thread because nothing has changed - they're still losing. I see the team make nice runs and have success with Jack running the show. It should continue to be discussed until something has changed. No need to get offended.

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Old 04-07-2010, 03:29 PM   #15 (permalink)
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jack, hedo, banks should be playing more than calderon

calderon's specialty is shooting and hes getting worse and worse. he can't drive and can't create plays for his teammates. his offense and defense suck. hes like a d league pg.
jack and hedo are aggresive and their shooting is better than jose. they can create shots for their teamates, and their defense is at least better than caldy.
banks has good defense, and we need more of that. his offense isnt that poor either.
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
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This shit is getting old...both are playing the same amount of time, so it doesnt matter who is starting...
Jack should be starting...annnd playing more minutes.

Banks should also be playing.
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
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as above... with Bosh out for an extended amount of time, do we need Calderon starting...he doesn't meld well with the other starters, so Jack should be the one in there. I don't have too much of an issue with Jose starting with Bosh in there, as it maximizes Bosh's touches, but without him there ..... no thanks
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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w/e jarret does what he has to, and Jose seems to be doing okay these days...
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:32 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Triano has been sucking jose's dick that's why he still favors jose. Get jose out of Raptors and hire a great coach, of course that would not be triano. Hire van gundy, avery johnson, a coach that wouldnt be soft to his players.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:42 AM   #20 (permalink)
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jack, hedo, banks should be playing more than calderon

calderon's specialty is shooting and hes getting worse and worse. he can't drive and can't create plays for his teammates. his offense and defense suck. hes like a d league pg.
jack and hedo are aggresive and their shooting is better than jose. they can create shots for their teamates, and their defense is at least better than caldy.
banks has good defense, and we need more of that. his offense isnt that poor either.
*facepalm*
throwing brick layups = aggresive
he should play more with all other wing players except beli playing better than him...yeah right
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