James Johnson: "We don't need no 3"
Old 04-24-2011, 11:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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James Johnson: "We don't need no 3"

I only just now listened to the Hoops show from last week on the fan590.

JJ said he wanted to make sure that the Raps did not feel any need to draft a 3, that they are set at SF....but definitely get the best player available.
He must have been happy when Harrison Barnes decided to stay in school.

With a thinning draft, looks like he could be right. And sorry for those that don't like him and/or his knees, but looks like if we can't move up, Enes Kanter is our next Raptor.

Is he more Hoffa or more Horford? How do you like this big rotation?

Bargnani/Kanter
Davis/Amir
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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No fuck you JJ. If a three is the BPA, we are taking a 3. :cookie:
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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We won't draft Kanter ..he is so overrated,

I also found this quote...

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"I have huge concerns about Kanter because he hasn't really done anything in two years, and those are the two most important years of his development, from age 17 to 19," Givony said. "If there's a lockout, and he sits for a third year in a row, this is really going be a disaster for him."
I really don't feel like waiting another 6 years for him to turn into a mediocre player. I would rather pass on the draft if it meant we were going to draft him.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No fuck you JJ. If a three is the BPA, we are taking a 3. :cookie:
Why? JJ completely shut down Kevin Durant, one of the best players in the NBA. He is also the only person capable of guarding guys like Lebron. If we don't draft Derrick Williams then I'm more than happy to see JJ start next season and see what he has.
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No fuck you JJ. If a three is the BPA, we are taking a 3. :cookie:
With Barnes gone and having likely a top 5 pick, I'm not seeing any 3s. I suppose Williams might be an NBA 3 but we'd have to move up.

Kemba Walker and Brandon Knight would have to impress from now til the draft for them to select a PG.

therefor....enter the Turkish cowboy.

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Old 04-24-2011, 12:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If we draft Kanter I'll find another team, he's going to be nothing, period.
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If we draft Kanter I'll find another team, he's going to be nothing, period.
He is the next Jake Voskuhl.
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who's that Brazilian Center? Apparently he's an athletic freak....
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:55 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Why? JJ completely shut down Kevin Durant, one of the best players in the NBA. He is also the only person capable of guarding guys like Lebron. If we don't draft Derrick Williams then I'm more than happy to see JJ start next season and see what he has.
I agree man, one of the problems we've had in the past few years is we always look at players and what they can bring offensively. At every position it the guy can't play offense, we didn't want him. Great teams always have a mix; Thunder with Sefolosha, Lakers with Artest etc. Neither of those guys are 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd options on offense but are capable of getting 15 points once in a while however their main purpose is D.

I'm a fan of him and I think it's a decent place to start when we're rebuilding.
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I agree man, one of the problems we've had in the past few years is we always look at players and what they can bring offensively. At every position it the guy can't play offense, we didn't want him. Great teams always have a mix; Thunder with Sefolosha, Lakers with Artest etc. Neither of those guys are 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd options on offense but are capable of getting 15 points once in a while however their main purpose is D.

I'm a fan of him and I think it's a decent place to start when we're rebuilding.
I agree as well, he is the kind of player we want right now and most definitely has room to improve on offense. Seems to have good work ethic, I see no reason why he cannot be our Ron Artest in the future.
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Old 04-24-2011, 02:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Ron Artest is a bad comparison. JJ brings more to the table because he can score, handle the ball and create for others. Artest can't do any of those.
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Ron Artest is a bad comparison. JJ brings more to the table because he can score, handle the ball and create for others. Artest can't do any of those.
I think it is a reasonable comparison, and Ron Artest maybe not now that he is with the Lakers, but prior to he was averaging at least 15ppg. Though I guess I can agree with you about him creating for others for the most part.
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Old 04-24-2011, 03:41 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Ron Artest is a bad comparison. JJ brings more to the table because he can score, handle the ball and create for others. Artest can't do any of those.
so your instinuating that JJ prime>artest prime?
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so your instinuating that JJ prime>artest prime?
What is instinuating? And no I can't say that because JJ isn't in his prime yet. I'm just saying JJ is a much more versatile player than Artest has ever been.
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Old 04-24-2011, 04:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Artest is much better than you give him credit for, especially as a scorer and playmaker.

His career year in Sacramento he put up:

20.5 pts
5.8 rebs
3.4 asts
2.3 stls
0.453 FG% on 16.9 attempts
0.380 3P% on 3.9 attempts
0.712 FT% on 5.2 attempts

I doubt JJ will ever come close to that production. Maybe he's close to the playmaker that Artest is, but he's nowhere near the scorer and defender.

However, I do think that JJ could play a similar role here as Artest does in LA. JJ would need to improve his shooting dramatically for that to happen, though. His defense could be a lot better if he was in better shape and focused on defense a little more.

A healthy Linus Kleiza could fill that role, too. So, I don't think the Raptors are desperate for a SF at this point. Maybe after next year we'll have a better idea of what JJ and LK's ceilings are.

Irving and Valanciunas top my wish list in this draft. Though, I worry about Irving's injury history. Maybe Biyombo could be good... If he really is as old as he says he is.

I'm starting to think the best option for the Raps is to trade down for Valaciunas or Biyombo. Or both.

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I see him being closer to a Marion than an Artest. If he gets pushed towards a role as big as Artest had in the past, then I would be pretty worried. I'd rather see him always be in the mix on offense, as a facilitator, on the boards, and all the intangibles, without being relied on to do too much scoring. And then work like hell on the other end, and always be ready to run.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:01 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I don't know about that LX.

Marion is an exceptional rebounder because of his foot speed. I don't see that kind of potential from JJ. He'll never have the speed and agility that Marion has.
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Ron Artest is a bad comparison. JJ brings more to the table because he can score, handle the ball and create for others. Artest can't do any of those.
maybe the artest of now can't do all those things, but maybe he can, but we just don't know because his team that he's on now doesn't require him to do those things.

but one thing thats for sure is artest in his prime could do all those things. he was a lebron james with less offensive but more defense (ie contributes in multiple areas of the game).

we would be extremely lucky if james johnson turns into anything close to what artest was
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I think I have confidence that Colangelo can draft. I am not even willing to say Bargnani was a "bad" pick. Based on skill, he was not. Who knew he'd have the tin man's heart even 5 years later.

Is this what we are likely looking at before dealing?

Kanter/Bargnani
Davis/Amir
Kleiza/JJ
Demar/ Barbosa
Bayless/Jose

Given this, all I can say is, 2 of Amir, Barbosa, Jose and Kleiza are likely gone for a position upgrade and a free agent.
As you listen to Colangelo talk about getting a traditional centre, all I could thing of is him taking a looooong look at 6'11", 265lb Kanter and spending and dealing at other positions. Personally, I hope not because I am not sure about his defence.
My preference is for Jose and another asset to move for known commodity at centre, then draft, deal and spend at other positions. We need to be 100% sure what we are getting at centre.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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It's not about what we need or don't need at the 3. It's about picking the best player available. JJ shouldn't take it personally or think he is specificly trying to get replaced.
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