Jack: Raptors a SF Away From Going To The Top
Old 11-05-2008, 04:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Courtesy of supersub15 from the RealGM who I assume heard this discussion on FAN590 with Eric and Jack today:

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Jack Amrstrong: I think the Raptors are one player away from contending for the NBA championship. Don't get me wrong, they're really good right now, but they need a good SF who can drop points on the opposition on those nights when things are not clicking elsewhere.

Eric Smith: Unfortunately, there are no players available right now on the free agent market. Since Bosh, O'Neal and Jose are not going anywhere, the only trading chip right is Andrea Bargnani.

Jack Armstrong: For whom would you trade him?

Eric Smith: Not going there. (I think he said "it's a discussion for another day", but I'm not sure...)
Would you agree with Jack?
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What about Jah-May-Rio Moon?
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What about Jah-May-Rio Moon?
What about him?
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think this team needs a stud sg.

Parker is solid as hell, but he could be just as solid at SF or backup sg.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Courtesy of supersub15 from the RealGM who I assume heard this discussion on FAN590 with Eric and Jack today:



Would you agree with Jack?
I agree and I have my reservations. My main reservations lie that if we had depth at key positions I would agree that we're close to the top. But seeing how we have no depth at key positions and the playoffs are all about depth (see: Boston last playoffs with Powe, Posey and Brown playing key roles).

However, would a big time SF help bring in eventual depth at vet min. contracts? Possibly.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If not this year then next year. Maybe if we do good this year, say make it to the second or confernce finals, then MLSE would notice that and go over the tax to make this team a legit contender
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I agree and I have my reservations. My main reservations lie that if we had depth at key positions I would agree that we're close to the top. But seeing how we have no depth at key positions and the playoffs are all about depth (see: Boston last playoffs with Powe, Posey and Brown playing key roles).

However, would a big time SF help bring in eventual depth at vet min. contracts? Possibly.
SJ, couldn't agree with you more. The raps are more than just one player away from beating LA.
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That SF might make us contenders for the Eastern Conference championship but no way in hell we are a SF away (unless that SF is Lebron James) from beating LAL or New Orleans. As Claudius mentioned you need all around depth.
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Trade for Outlaw!
Simple Anthony Parker for Travis Outlaw
$4,550,000 -> $4,000,000

Or Odom
Jason Kapono/Anthony Parker/Joey Graham/Jorge Garbajosa's contract for Lamar Odom/Trevor Ariza
$17,033,664 -> 17,100,000

The Raps are going to have some money for this offseason:

Anthony Parker UFA $4,550,000
Will Solomon UFA $711,517
Jamario Moon UFA $711,517
Hassan Adams $711,517 (team option for next year)
O'Neal can opt out, but I doubt he will $23,016,000
Jorge Garbajosa* UFA $4,250,000
* No Longer With Team

Toronto Raptors Salary Cap Holds
In 2009-10
Anthony Parker $9,100,000
Joey Graham $7,347,552
Carlos Delfino $5,604,423
Jamario Moon $924,972
Will Solomon $853,820
2010-11
Jermaine O'Neal MAX 10+
Andrea Bargnani MAX 4
Hassan Adams $990,596
Nathan Jawai $883,704

What is a cap hold? A cap hold is the amount of space free agent counts towards a team's cap. These "cap holds" factor in when a team signs free agents. If they didn't exist, a team could use their cap space to sign other free agents until the space was gone, and then re-sign their own free agents using the Bird exception. A cap hold cannot exceed the maximum contract offer that player can receive on the open market (as defined by years of experience - indicated in the table above by MAX followed by the years of experience). The cap hold disappears if the team renounces their own free agent, that free agent signs with a new team, or re-signs with the same team.

I have no clue what this means.

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Old 11-06-2008, 03:09 AM   #10 (permalink)
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New jersey has a pretty good SF that they are looking to move.....*ducks*
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Trade for Outlaw!
Simple Anthony Parker for Travis Outlaw
$4,550,000 -> $4,000,000

Or Odom
Jason Kapono/Anthony Parker/Joey Graham/Jorge Garbajosa's contract for Lamar Odom/Trevor Ariza
$17,033,664 -> 17,100,000

The Raps are going to have some money for this offseason:

Anthony Parker UFA $4,550,000
Will Solomon UFA $711,517
Jamario Moon UFA $711,517
Hassan Adams $711,517 (team option for next year)
O'Neal can opt out, but I doubt he will $23,016,000
Jorge Garbajosa* UFA $4,250,000
* No Longer With Team

Toronto Raptors Salary Cap Holds
In 2009-10
Anthony Parker $9,100,000
Joey Graham $7,347,552
Carlos Delfino $5,604,423
Jamario Moon $924,972
Will Solomon $853,820
2010-11
Jermaine O'Neal MAX 10+
Andrea Bargnani MAX 4
Hassan Adams $990,596
Nathan Jawai $883,704

What is a cap hold? A cap hold is the amount of space free agent counts towards a team's cap. These "cap holds" factor in when a team signs free agents. If they didn't exist, a team could use their cap space to sign other free agents until the space was gone, and then re-sign their own free agents using the Bird exception. A cap hold cannot exceed the maximum contract offer that player can receive on the open market (as defined by years of experience - indicated in the table above by MAX followed by the years of experience). The cap hold disappears if the team renounces their own free agent, that free agent signs with a new team, or re-signs with the same team.

I have no clue what this means.
I think it means that the salary of your own free agents counts against your cap unless you don't resign them.

This is so a team can't sign someone else's free agents to fill up their cap space, then sign their own free agents and go over the cap by manipulating the system.

It seems like it's just a technicality.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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SJ, couldn't agree with you more. The raps are more than just one player away from beating LA.
In fact, we are at least 2-3 coaches (including the head one) away from beating LA as well!
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:12 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think by trading parker for outlaw you don't accomplish anything since we'll have a gigantic hole at SG - much bigger than the current one at SF.
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I think by trading parker for outlaw you don't accomplish anything since we'll have a gigantic hole at SG - much bigger than the current one at SF.
Agreed. Although I do think AP would be cool with resigning back here after getting traded for that piece at SF.

We need someone gritty. Posey would've been perfect.

Maybe someone like an AK47 is still a decent option?
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Unless you're open to trading Bargs, we ain't getting a damn thing. While you do want to trade him to the West, what teams in the West could you really sell Bargs to and get a solid swingman? Golden State - but they have Biedrins, Wright and Randolph.
Dallas - perahaps if they go into a funk and trade Howard (although isn't he a FA soon?)
Portland? But they have Oden and Alridge.

It's going to be tough..BC might have to look to the East - CHarlotte, Chicago (Deng would be nice to jump on right now, considering his stock might be a bit low)
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Old 11-06-2008, 07:53 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I disagree
"SF" away from the top
We would be a even stronger team, but still the same old pretenders.
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In fact, we are at least 2-3 coaches (including the head one) away from beating LA as well!


Good job.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:17 PM   #18 (permalink)
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if we could get gerald wallace are team would be amazing
he's a gritty defend thats explosive on offence

i would trade Bargs for him
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