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Old 08-27-2013, 09:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Just wanted to say thanks for the support of some of my stuff over the years. I once had account here but lost the password and honestly never got around to making a new one.

But finally did so thanks to those of you that support the DNB, Our Interviews and Podcasts.

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nice to hear from you james. you can reset your old password if you want that account to be active. just lemme know.
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I agree too!

The bench is for foul trouble & to give rest to the starters if they are holding there shorts nothing more.
I agree, but we cannot ride on our starters around 35 min roughly each night for 82 games. Ain't gonna happen. There are injuries, fatigue and other factors. I am sure MU is aware of it, and will react accordingly. Like Jack said, KL better bring it, I don't care either about his stats in Memphis and Houston. I am a bit concerned about Ross being a floater, he nailed it.

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Old 08-27-2013, 10:36 PM   #23 (permalink)
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nice to hear from you james. you can reset your old password if you want that account to be active. just lemme know.
No it's fine I have the new account with a password I can remember. I have noticed over time that you guys have posted some things and I just wanted to say thanks so much for the support.

At least now if there is stuff and people have questions about it I can respond to them.

It is nice to see so many people love Jack here. He is by far the best person I have dealt with in over 5 years of doing this.
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:52 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Keep up the good work James. It's going to be an interesting season for Raptors fans.
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:01 AM   #25 (permalink)
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No it's fine I have the new account with a password I can remember. I have noticed over time that you guys have posted some things and I just wanted to say thanks so much for the support.

At least now if there is stuff and people have questions about it I can respond to them.

It is nice to see so many people love Jack here. He is by far the best person I have dealt with in over 5 years of doing this.
Jack's a good friend of mine I've known him since 2006 personally & i can vouch for him!
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:15 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I find that Jack tends to sugar coat things when he is on tv, but on the radio he says (or so it seems) everything the way he sees it.
That was just Colangelo messing with the broadcast people.

Same with Devlin, whose much better when he's working other broadcasts, not being a sucky fanboy.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:20 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Our bench isn't the greatest but it's much better than it used to be. They are legitimate role players. We don't really have any Hassan Adams, Will Solomans, or Alabi's. Most of our bench guys have done well atleast once during their careers.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:49 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Still not good enough if we have any playoffs aspiration, and we don't know yet how the new guys will blend in.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:58 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Our bench isn't the greatest but it's much better than it used to be. They are legitimate role players. We don't really have any Hassan Adams, Will Solomans, or Alabi's. Most of our bench guys have done well atleast once during their careers.
Its gone from one of the worst of all time to terrible. Either way, it's still gonna be one of the worst in the NBA next year.
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:30 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Its gone from one of the worst of all time to terrible. Either way, it's still gonna be one of the worst in the NBA next year.
We are clearly counting on our starters, and if that's the case what you are getting in pretty much this:

JV: High hopes from this kid, but let’s all remember, he is still very young and has lots to learn and improve.

Amir: We know what we get from him. Double-double and a legit PF in this league. Young vet and great player to have.

Gay: Capable of putting 20/7/3 but most be able to shoot behind the arc. Volume shooter.

DD: Getting closer and closer to his full potential. Has to shoot behind the arc as well in order to become major factor. Needs to be able to guard better as well.

KL: Great D, but last year wasn’t one of his best seasons, either he wasn’t on the same page with the coaching staff nor injured nor out of shape, or whatever the case may be. He has to prove he is a legit starter in this league, but your guess is good as mine. He is the wildcard at this point.

Our starters if click can make the 7th-8th spot. If healthy. Our bench is flat out weak.
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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^ never once said it was good guys. Was just trying to bring some positive energy into da house.
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Old 08-28-2013, 02:16 PM   #32 (permalink)
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^ never once said it was good guys. Was just trying to bring some positive energy into da house.
I think at this point in the franchises existence, you can call a spade a spade. I've went through the blind optomism in the offseason stage in the mid 2000's onward, thinking that our team would go places with the players we picked up. But let's look at it realistically:

Augustin, Buycks
Ross, Daye
Novak/Fields
Hansbrough, Acy
Gray

It's going to be difficult to find a worse bench in the NBA right now. Who can consistently score out of those guys? Maybe Ross if we're able to get him open looks and build his confidence early in the season, and even give him touches as a ballhandler, but if that doesn't happen, then we may end up being one of the worst scoring benches ever. Novak and Hansbrough are good role players if put in the right roles, but they're going to be asked to do too much for this bench, in terms of providing scoring over long stretches, and they're just not capable of doing this on a game to game basis.

I think it's obvious that Masai is going the tank route this season(just in a very sneaky fashion), because the only way we're in the 9th/10th range this season is if our entire starting lineup plays 75+ games, Buycks turns into a legit 6th man who can carry the 2nd unit, and Casey molds this teams identity to be a defensive team who can still win games if they struggle to score, which they will, a lot.

If we have an injury to any of the starters, its tank mode, and I think that will be the likely scenario next season, where we will have an injury early in the year, our record will plummet, and Masai will end up trading Gay to complete the tank destiny.

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Old 08-28-2013, 02:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I think at this point in the franchises existence, you can call a spade a spade. I've went through the blind optomism in the offseason stage in the mid 2000's onward, thinking that our team would go places with the players we picked up. But let's look at it realistically:

Augustin, Buycks
Ross
Novak/Fields
Hansbrough, Acy
Gray

It's going to be difficult to find a worse bench in the NBA right now. Who can consistently score out of those guys? Maybe Ross if we're able to get him open looks and build his confidence early in the season, and even give him touches as a ballhandler, but if that doesn't happen, then we may end up being one of the worst scoring benches ever. Novak and Hansbrough are good role players if put in the right roles, but they're going to be asked to do too much for this bench, in terms of providing scoring over long stretches, and they're just not capable of doing this on a game to game basis.

I think it's obvious that Masai is going the tank route this season(just in a very sneaky fashion), because the only way we're in the 9th/10th range this season is if our entire starting lineup plays 75+ games, Buycks turns into a legit 6th man who can carry the 2nd unit, and Casey molds this teams identity to be a defensive team who can still win games if they struggle to score, which they will, a lot.

If we have an injury to any of the starters, its tank mode, and I think that will be the likely scenario next season, where we will have an injury early in the year, our record will plummet, and Masai will end up trading Gay to complete the tank destiny.
Maybe the solution is to put DD as a bench player... he likes to go iso, can get into the paint, and somewhat create. Put Fields or Ross as a starter and that should help the team overall.
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Old 08-28-2013, 02:28 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I think at this point in the franchises existence, you can call a spade a spade. I've went through the blind optomism in the offseason stage in the mid 2000's onward, thinking that our team would go places with the players we picked up. But let's look at it realistically:

Augustin, Buycks
Ross
Novak/Fields
Hansbrough, Acy
Gray

It's going to be difficult to find a worse bench in the NBA right now. Who can consistently score out of those guys? Maybe Ross if we're able to get him open looks and build his confidence early in the season, and even give him touches as a ballhandler, but if that doesn't happen, then we may end up being one of the worst scoring benches ever. Novak and Hansbrough are good role players if put in the right roles, but they're going to be asked to do too much for this bench, in terms of providing scoring over long stretches, and they're just not capable of doing this on a game to game basis.

I think it's obvious that Masai is going the tank route this season(just in a very sneaky fashion), because the only way we're in the 9th/10th range this season is if our entire starting lineup plays 75+ games, Buycks turns into a legit 6th man who can carry the 2nd unit, and Casey molds this teams identity to be a defensive team who can still win games if they struggle to score, which they will, a lot.

If we have an injury to any of the starters, its tank mode, and I think that will be the likely scenario next season, where we will have an injury early in the year, our record will plummet, and Masai will end up trading Gay to complete the tank destiny.
Depends who gets hurt and for how long. IMO if any of Valanciunas/Gay/DD go down with a significant injury we're screwed. If Lowry goes down I think DJ/Buycks might surprise some. And if Amir goes down I'm ok starting TH with Acy/Novak backing him up.
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Sorry, I forgot about Daye, but so did the NBA. I've edited my post now.

I dont think you cant bring Derozan off of the bench. This year is the make or break year in terms of what kind of player he'll become IMO. Will he become a capable 3rd option on a good team who can be efficient playing off of the ball, and keeping it simple on offence with quick postups, spot up shots, and pullups, or will he continue to hold the ball and end up taking bad shots off the dribble from 20 feet away? Will he become a willing and capable defender? I think bringing him off of the bench will not only stunt his growth, it'll kill it. He needs to learn how to play with players better than him, while still getting his in an efficient manner, which will be the main task for him playing with Gay and JV(well, we all hope JV will be option 1/2 anyway, but who knows with Casey) next year.
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Sorry, I forgot about Daye, but so did the NBA. I've edited my post now.

I dont think you cant bring Derozan off of the bench. This year is the make or break year in terms of what kind of player he'll become IMO. Will he become a capable 3rd option on a good team who can be efficient playing off of the ball, and keeping it simple on offence with quick postups, spot up shots, and pullups, or will he continue to hold the ball and end up taking bad shots off the dribble from 20 feet away? Will he become a willing and capable defender? I think bringing him off of the bench will not only stunt his growth, it'll kill it. He needs to learn how to play with players better than him, while still getting his in an efficient manner, which will be the main task for him playing with Gay and JV(well, we all hope JV will be option 1/2 anyway, but who knows with Casey) next year.
makes sense.... though his growth has already stunted.... Expecting a huge jump now seems overly idealistic. But maybe he should be given the first two months to prove he can defend and can add to the offensive game of teammates before a sixth man role becomes a more viable option.
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Depends who gets hurt and for how long. IMO if any of Valanciunas/Gay/DD go down with a significant injury we're screwed. If Lowry goes down I think DJ/Buycks might surprise some. And if Amir goes down I'm ok starting TH with Acy/Novak backing him up.
I think if any of our starters go down we're fucked, to be honest.

If Lowry goes down, I think Buycks has a much higher ceiling of filling in as a starter and not looking completely out of place, and getting killed than DJ does. DJ is what he is, he's a good open 3 point shooter, who struggles when he's pressured by the opposing PG or trapping defences because he's not quick enough to turn the corner, nor create his own shot, and he really struggles finishing in traffic around the rim. I liked what I saw from Buycks in the summer league, as he showed a vast array of moves on the pick and roll, as well as around the rim, so I'm hoping he becomes our permanent backup and is able to get minutes to grow because I like his potential.

If Amir gets hurt, we're royally fucked. Hansbrough can get rebounds and hit some shots, but Amirs help defence is extremely good, and we would turn into one of the worst defensive starting lineups in the league with Hansbrough in place of Amir.

So in conclusion, if Lowry gets hurt, there's a small chance of us maintaining, but if the other 4 get hurt, we're royally fucked(I guess you can put Ross in the same category as Buycks, in terms of him possibly breaking out, and if Derozan got hurt he could fill in, but I honestly think Buycks has a better chance of proving himself as a capable rotation guy than Ross next year).
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I think if any of our starters go down we're fucked, to be honest.

If Lowry goes down, I think Buycks has a much higher ceiling of filling in as a starter and not looking completely out of place, and getting killed than DJ does. DJ is what he is, he's a good open 3 point shooter, who struggles when he's pressured by the opposing PG or trapping defences because he's not quick enough to turn the corner, nor create his own shot, and he really struggles finishing in traffic around the rim. I liked what I saw from Buycks in the summer league, as he showed a vast array of moves on the pick and roll, as well as around the rim, so I'm hoping he becomes our permanent backup and is able to get minutes to grow because I like his potential.

If Amir gets hurt, we're royally fucked. Hansbrough can get rebounds and hit some shots, but Amirs help defence is extremely good, and we would turn into one of the worst defensive starting lineups in the league with Hansbrough in place of Amir.

So in conclusion, if Lowry gets hurt, there's a small chance of us maintaining, but if the other 4 get hurt, we're royally fucked(I guess you can put Ross in the same category as Buycks, in terms of him possibly breaking out, and if Derozan got hurt he could fill in, but I honestly think Buycks has a better chance of proving himself as a capable rotation guy than Ross next year).
Depends how long the injuries are for. I agree any extended injuries to any starter and we're fucked.
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makes sense.... though his growth has already stunted.... Expecting a huge jump now seems overly idealistic. But maybe he should be given the first two months to prove he can defend and can add to the offensive game of teammates before a sixth man role becomes a more viable option.
I dont expect a big jump in terms of him going from being a middle tier SG to becoming Dwyane Wade, I expect a big jump in his maturity and learning how to be effective on a team where he's not relied upon to be the primary scorer, something that should never be asked of him. He needs to learn how to fit in better to the offence, and that means taking better shots and more efficient shots. The shooting 20 footers at the end of the shot clock offence needs to be done next year. If he doesnt have a shot and hes not capable of creating one versus a good defensive player, he needs to give the ball up and move without the ball to try and get it back in a better position. Shit like that will help his offensive game take off. In other words, he just needs to be smarter and learn how to take and make a spotup 3 point shot much more efficiently, in short.

On defence, he just needs to try harder, and commit himself to being one of the better defensive players at his position. That will take his game to another level, and maybe one day make him an allstar with his already decent offensive game. It's not like the SG position is full of a bunch of stars nowadays. He has an opportunity and he needs to seize it.
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I dont expect a big jump in terms of him going from being a middle tier SG to becoming Dwyane Wade, I expect a big jump in his maturity and learning how to be effective on a team where he's not relied upon to be the primary scorer, something that should never be asked of him. He needs to learn how to fit in better to the offence, and that means taking better shots and more efficient shots. The shooting 20 footers at the end of the shot clock offence needs to be done next year. If he doesnt have a shot and hes not capable of creating one versus a good defensive player, he needs to give the ball up and move without the ball to try and get it back in a better position. Shit like that will help his offensive game take off. In other words, he just needs to be smarter and learn how to take and make a spotup 3 point shot much more efficiently, in short.

On defence, he just needs to try harder, and commit himself to being one of the better defensive players at his position. That will take his game to another level, and maybe one day make him an allstar with his already decent offensive game. It's not like the SG position is full of a bunch of stars nowadays. He has an opportunity and he needs to seize it.
Fully agree, just not sure he'll seize it... hard for me to imagine he's going to be able to change his mindset enough to do what you've laid out. We've created a culture that has allowed him to be completely focused on scoring and he's allowed that to define his game. We'll see.
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