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Old 12-12-2012, 01:37 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Please don't compare Jose to Nash. Nash plays best in an uptempo offense and is a 2-time MVP which guarantees his place in the hall of fame. Nash can also break down opposing teams' d which is something jose can't or doesn't do. Jose is best suited to a backup role where he plays quite well. Jose is best suited to non-uptempo offense or a halfcourt offense. Jose also does not possess the same scoring abilities that Nash has. Nash can be a top 3 option on offense while Jose isn't. Jose ball handling and decision-making are also more conservative than the omnibus crime bill. In the nba you need a pg to take some risks, even a little bit. Nash doesn't have the same assists to turnover ratio as Jose but it doesn't mean Jose > Nash. They both shoot efficiently but Nash bears a lot more of the usage. Nash can also endure a lot more - physically.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:49 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Lowry is not 100%. Just look at his play in the first few games to now, especially on D.

Jose is not a part of this teams future in a significant way, he may return as a back up.

It makes no sense to go forward with Jose as the starter. We need to see what a healthy Lowry can do to properly evaluate him, and the team around him.

Jose is a great professional, is very good at what he does, and has some glaring holes. There's nothing wrong with that. Lowry has shown in all likelihood he is the better option long term. We know what Jose brings, we have to see what Lowry can and playing hurt does not seem to be the answer right now.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:17 PM   #63 (permalink)
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This is an interesting post..

I somewhat agree that the chemistry issues apparent with Kyle starting would not occur with Jose if he was starting simply because he's been with us for so long, and he knows his teammates sweet spots and tendencies. With Lowry starting, it looks like each player tries to get his own, and it becomes pretty stagnant.

On the defensive end, it seems like the players who were here last year do a better job as oppose to the new players we've acquired, simply because they had a year to work with the system that Casey has implemented.

I really want to see how the team performs tonight with Calderon starting, and possibly starting again on Friday depending on Lowry's health.

Just want to watch the dynamics of the team, and overall effort.
Bargs88 I would not put too much weight on dynamics for tonights game. We dont have Amir and Andrea playing. Starting Jose means nothing anymore....whether he lights it up...or if the team wins tonite which i highly doubt will happen....its Lowrys team.

Jose was on fire spitting out double doubles when Lowry when down....and he then went back to the bench....like many see here Calderon did it all last year...argubly the best player last year.....Jose knows no matter what he does hes goes back to the bench or hes traded.Players see this the vets see this...chemistry is big and so is respect in the NBA.
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I question Lowry's ability to stay healthy long enough to sustain his elite play over a full season.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:38 PM   #65 (permalink)
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I'm not worried about his health, he doesn't have a history of significant injuries. What worries me is his style of play. There were rumours out of Houston that he was a bit of a dick, he clashed with McHale who, by all accounts, is a really friendly coach and has point guard centric system, and he was also shipped out of memphis pretty much for free.

I was really happy when we got him, but now I'm starting to have my doubts. I don't really buy the argument about bad teammates, because that can be applied to all of our players as an excuse. Also, his injury wasn't THAT bad and it was a long time ago and he seemed to have no problems getting to the rim in a few games after he got back.

He's a great defender who doesn't defend, a point guard who often makes the most boneheaded moves (shooting 3s with 20 seconds on the clock and nobody under the basket, arguing for 10 seconds with the refs after a bad call while the other team is off and running, driving blindly into traffic and so on).
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:46 PM   #66 (permalink)
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This is an interesting post..

I somewhat agree that the chemistry issues apparent with Kyle starting would not occur with Jose if he was starting simply because he's been with us for so long, and he knows his teammates sweet spots and tendencies. With Lowry starting, it looks like each player tries to get his own, and it becomes pretty stagnant.

On the defensive end, it seems like the players who were here last year do a better job as oppose to the new players we've acquired, simply because they had a year to work with the system that Casey has implemented.

I really want to see how the team performs tonight with Calderon starting, and possibly starting again on Friday depending on Lowry's health.

Just want to watch the dynamics of the team, and overall effort.
I think the Raptors have the same amount of wins when lowry has been on the side lines injuried as they do when he has started. He is a good player and maybe he is a little more effective then Jose but let him earn his starting job on the Raptors, Same goes for JV. If guys are getting their minutes taken by players that have not done anything with the team no one on the team is going to like it.

I have really only seen two coaches for Toronto teams do this Cito Gaston and Pat Burns. Do you think those two would do things like put a rookie in for a proven veteran to start a season? Or favor a good player from another team over a good player that has been with the team for years?

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I prefer if we had a traditional PG who can set up others like a Nash/Paul or looking back in time a Stockton. I am not a fan of the combo G tweener, unless you can play like Derrick Rose. Hell Westbrook is a pretty selfish PG, but he's beside a Kevin Durant.

Lowry isn't a pass first point guard, at least not what I've seen so far. Calderon is more of a pass first, but his deficiencies on defence are just too much. What exactly was the reasoning behind Houston not wanting to keep Lowry? Didn't he have problems with the coaching staff?

Not sure what to say anymore.
2 words, Goran Dragic. Would have been a much better fit IMO.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:28 PM   #68 (permalink)
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2 words, Goran Dragic. Would have been a much better fit IMO.
Ya he's more of a traditional pass first.
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2 words, Goran Dragic. Would have been a much better fit IMO.
I think that and Steve Novak... he's the one that deserved Landry's contract and I think Colangelo actually thought he was getting the 'other white guy' when he announced the signing with such enthusiasm!

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Ya he's more of a traditional pass first.
I would have also been happy with him but i prefered Lowry. Either one i would have been happy with.
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I question Lowry's ability to stay healthy long enough to sustain his elite play over a full season.
Hey he is a risk worth taking. He plays with fire and passion and is unafraid to get to the rim be it for a rebound or an attempt...Check out his PER rating . Best thing that Raptors have done in years is getting LOWRY...Maybe the rest of the gnomes might roll to rim when they see him charging and get a damn rebound
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Hey he is a risk worth taking. He plays with fire and passion and is unafraid to get to the rim be it for a rebound or an attempt...Check out his PER rating . Best thing that Raptors have done in years is getting LOWRY...Maybe the rest of the gnomes might roll to rim when they see him charging and get a damn rebound
Maybe, but not if he's always hurt. Every game he gets injured. It's worrisome to say the least.
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2 words, Goran Dragic. Would have been a much better fit IMO.
yeah, but lowry is hands down the better player and he's cheaper. It's just a question if and how to get him to play the way he can play.
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Maybe, but not if he's always hurt. Every game he gets injured. It's worrisome to say the least.
I swear that it's all about the foot. He is constantly off balance and just ends up crashing all over the place. He really needs to just sit, which sucks, but it's not like there is much to play for at this point.
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I swear that it's all about the foot. He is constantly off balance and just ends up crashing all over the place. He really needs to just sit, which sucks, but it's not like there is much to play for at this point.
I get that, but also, the first three games reminded me of gerald Wallace. He was full out every time... that's a tough way to play.
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yeah, but lowry is hands down the better player and he's cheaper. It's just a question if and how to get him to play the way he can play.
Certainly not this year.

Different pg styles though, not easy to just say KL is hands down the better player. LK is the better rebounder and GD is a better facilitator. Close call this year, stat wise, though I think the Raptors need more creators on the wing for Lowry to be effective whereas GD will just create. Either player though is a major upgrade from what the team has had in awhile - what a frustrating year.
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Certainly not this year.

Different pg styles though, not easy to just say KL is hands down the better player. LK is the better rebounder and GD is a better facilitator. Close call this year, stat wise, though I think the Raptors need more creators on the wing for Lowry to be effective whereas GD will just create. Either player though is a major upgrade from what the team has had in awhile - what a frustrating year.
GD- 15.6PPG, 6.4APG, 3RPG, 2.4TO (33min)

Lowry- 15.8PPG, 5.8APG, 5.6RPG, 2.6TO (31min)


Dragic is shooting quite a bit better and overall has had a better season i agree, but considering Lowry has been struggling since being injured it's not a huge gap to say the least. As i said before, i'd take either of them.
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