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Old 12-28-2009, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Happy Holidays! The Raptors have won four games in a row, gotten themselves to two games under .500 and are now the sixth seed in the Eastern Conference. They are a LONG way from being a top-notch and consistent team yet, with their defence and effort always a play away from breaking down, but they're improving and starting to tighten up a number of fronts that will make them a good team as we enter 2010.

Chris Bosh has had a career year and in spite of the tough early schedule, they're coming around. Let's hope for better in the New Year!

Here are five things I like right now from the Raps.

1. TEAM - Players are all starting to figure out their roles and accept them and that's a good thing. This makes your team more cohesive and functional. They're doing a terrific job sharing the ball. I love the player and ball movement these days. There is lots more trust and respect for each other's games and guys are giving each other chances to shine. They're giving up the good shot to get the great one.

2. HEDO TURKOGLU & JARRETT JACK - Both players are figuring out what's needed and expected of them. GM Bryan Colangelo shelled out years and big money to these two guys and early on they were both inconsistent. Now they've set the tone for the team with wonderful passing and unselfish play that is permeating throughout the roster. It's all for one and one for all. Both are doing a really nice job initiating the offence and finding teammates nice opportunities.

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Old 12-28-2009, 02:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This team is definetly better in the long-haul with Jack and Turkoglu rather than Calderon and Turkoglu. Neither Jose or Hedo are great players without the ball, if one takes the ball up the court, the other stands around, its like playing 4 on 5. On defence its like playing 3 on 5.

I am really impressed with the "filler" BC was able to add this off-season, Weems, Amir, Bellinelli. Once they develop consistency, they will be very good NBA players. I wouldn't mind seeing Amir as the starting centre, using Andrea as a 6th man.
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This team is definetly better in the long-haul with Jack and Turkoglu rather than Calderon and Turkoglu. Neither Jose or Hedo are great players without the ball, if one takes the ball up the court, the other stands around, its like playing 4 on 5. On defence its like playing 3 on 5.

I am really impressed with the "filler" BC was able to add this off-season, Weems, Amir, Bellinelli. Once they develop consistency, they will be very good NBA players. I wouldn't mind seeing Amir as the starting centre, using Andrea as a 6th man.
Can't really say that the team is better with Jack and Turkoglu. The offence was alot better with Jose at the point.

The offence was not as strong when Jose , Jack and Turk was on the floor at the same time.

You see we are playing a weaker schedule at this time with teams missing key guys and we are scoring less.

Our d is so much better...is it the quality of teams we are playing or is it our team d is so much better? I say its the team d because now you see our 2,3,4.and 5 guy supporting. Our point guards are not stopping guys ...we are just supporting so much better. The guys like Bargs, Bosh, and Hedo are looking so much better with Bargs really starting to come into his own with support. Actually Bargs is getting into the opposition pg's face so much more something that was missing at the start of the year.
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Jack is on the money. We are playing harder and we already had the talent. And Hedo and Jack have really stepped it up. Cant wait until we face a good team and see what we are really made of.
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Can't really say that the team is better with Jack and Turkoglu. The offence was alot better with Jose at the point.

The offence was not as strong when Jose , Jack and Turk was on the floor at the same time.

You see we are playing a weaker schedule at this time with teams missing key guys and we are scoring less.

Our d is so much better...is it the quality of teams we are playing or is it our team d is so much better? I say its the team d because now you see our 2,3,4.and 5 guy supporting. Our point guards are not stopping guys ...we are just supporting so much better. The guys like Bargs, Bosh, and Hedo are looking so much better with Bargs really starting to come into his own with support. Actually Bargs is getting into the opposition pg's face so much more something that was missing at the start of the year.
Found this write up on Raptor News Forum.

According to the advanced statistics employed by basketball-reference.com, taking into consideration that by Jose's standards, he's hasn't played up to his full potential yet this season, Jose is the second most important Raptor. They have Jose as being 3 points per 100 possesions worse than Bargnani defensively, but 10 points better offensively. Their win shares formulas, combining offence and defence lists the top 5 performers in order as:

Chris Bosh 3.3, Jose Calderon 1.6, Andrea Bargnani 1.2, Hedo Turkoglu 0.9, Amir Johnson 0.9.
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The Raptors top 3, 5 man groups in terms of +/- all have 3 players in common. Bosh, Bargnani, Calderon.
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Using the advanced stats provided by basketballprospectus, they determined that Calderon is 1.6 points worse with his defensive rating, but 2.5 better offensively. basketballprospectus.com

Team chemistry is a difficult thing to measure, and Jose might be a big part of that. Some systems rate Calderon very highly, some don't, but there are different way's to look at things than just one way.

Without a single Raptor averaging even a steal per game ( Jose Calderon is actually the team leader in steals ), and with the leading 'shot-blocker's' combining for only 2.1, any trade the Raptors made that was an upgrade defensively ( which I admit, is just about anybody ), the difference might be completely negated by the fact that they are coughing the ball more often since the Raptors don't force many TO's.

It's not that Bargnani isn't a better defender than Calderon, but with a better defender at Bargnani's position, the other 4 guys on the floor would just appear to improve defensively, while a better defender at Calderon's spot will just improve our PG defence ( but guy's like Paul, Williams, Jennings, Rose can't be stopped anyway's, not by just one player. Even Calderon can hardly be stopped without a double team to get it out of his hands ). If a top defensive C is on the floor, he can make the other 4 guy's look like good defenders, even if they are not, but a great defensive PG can be somewhat neutralized if you can shoot, and have another guy on the floor who can make play's, which Calderon is, and the Raptors have.

If it's ignorant to say that Bargnani or Triano are the main culprit for the Raptors struggles, why is it not the same to pin the whole thing on Jose? At this point, considering their defensive rating is the worst of all time in the modern NBA, isn't it everybody's fault for waiting too long to speak up? If all the most effective line-ups are one's that include Jose, regardless of the defence he is playing so far, why isn't there a possiblity that he isn't the most at fault? Maybe what the Raptors need is a Jamario Moon type player who didn't shoot as many airballs. A perimeter player who does things like block shots, and get offensive rebounds from the perimeter spot to help make up for what Bosh and Bargnani are not alway's able to do effectively.

Jay is a rookie head coach who is still learning when to pick his spots challenging his players, and Bargnani is a 7ft. PF who gets fewer defensive rebounds per game than PG Jason Kidd. I believe that even Bosh deserved to be called out by his teammates for his D, so why wouldn't Bargnani and Triano deserve some critisism?

See our d has picked up at the 2,3,4,and 5 spot. Bargs has improved the most hence you see him in pg faces more often and its nothing to do with Jack.

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Key phrase in that article "things I like right now." There needs to be continued consistency from this team going forward.

I don't expect the Raps to start crushing the league, but if they can get 2 out of their next 4, I would take this team pretty seriously. I'm not sure that they've beat a good team since the Cavs on opening day, and we know what the Cavs were like at the start of the year. I'm glad they're on a roll beating some teams they should have; now let's hope they can take a game every now and then from contenders.
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we beat 3 crap teams and Jack tells us 5 things he likes.
Give me a win against Boston and THEN Ill discuss the positives
In my opinion, this team is no different than what it was 4 games ago
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