I've come to the realization,in order for the Raptors to adavnce to the next level

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View Poll Results: Are Casey and Colangelo the right combination of Coach & GM moving forward?
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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They must break up the Bryan Colangelo and Dwaye Casey partnership as President/General Manager and Head Coach. I think both of them are good at what they do respectively for the most part,but for this franchise in this market moving forward,they aren't the best combination for making this team become more than a first round playoff exit roster.

Bryan Colangelo hasn't brought in players that best compliment Casey's style/system and Casey doesn't coach to the strength's of the players Colangelo has acquired. Casey prefers the veterans and doesn't seem to be a good coach for the team's young player's like Valanciunas,Fields,Ross,Acy. Even when Ed Davis was here,he didn't really trust him until his hand was forced by the Andrea Bargnani injury.

I know it's hard to attract experienced veterans to a rebuilding situation but if this is what Casey's strength is,you have to find away to get players who compliment his scheme,even if it means giving up some of your younger attractive pieces. The way this roster is built currently,I honestly think Jay Triano would be a better coach than Casey.

The solution is to get a good combination of both because already some of the best players on the team are young but the Raptors fanbase doesn't have time to wait and see who else could develop into whatever,unless it's definite they'll be a bonafied talent and contributor. The team is good enough to compete now,especially with key players like Rudy Gay,Andrea Bargnani and Kyle Lowry in their prime already.

A personal problem I have with this regime(mainly with Colangelo) is that there is a lack of accountability. Yes they'll acknowledge the obvious(when a player is struggling) but I hear too many excuses and explanations why certain moves haven't worked. I'm not saying you have to single out players or publically criticize them but if a player is obviously playing the worst basketball of his career for example,as a credible source you can't say "I think he's playing 50% good,50% bad" if you're gonna make a public comment,when it's simply not true. Especially if you don't elaborate. That's a borderline lie and taking the public(fans,media,etc..)for fools.

MLSE has to seriously re-evaluate Casey and Colangelo this offseason regardless of where the Raptors end the season. At the moment,I'm not sure who they should pursue as a new President and G.M. in replace of Colangelo,but I've always like the idea of Charles Barkley,even though it's risky. For coaching,you could go the former player route(which has worked before with Sam Mitchell)and hire Sam Cassell or you can take the safe route and hire a Flip Saunders. The best available choice is Stan Van Gundy though. He'd be the best fit for this current roster. He holds players accountable,and from a scheme perspective,he has a good balance of valuing Offense and Defense.

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Old 02-25-2013, 09:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pretty sure this was meant to be serious so I won't use any laughing emoticons..
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Disagree, I just think sometimes Casey is a shat coach.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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get rid of scott roth, dudes been there forever, and that other white guy.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:59 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think the heads will roll upstairs if we don't make playoffs this year ... it's been what 5-6 years we haven't made the playoffs...
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Disagree, I just think sometimes Casey is a shat coach.
He's a good coach,I'm not confident in him as our head coach though. Ross has been nailed to the bench,not sure why all time. Valanciunas can't see a minute in the 4th no matter how good he plays the prior 3 quarters and if they need his length.
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I think the heads will roll upstairs if we don't make playoffs this year ... it's been what 5-6 years we haven't made the playoffs...

BC is going nowhere either way, especially if we finish ninth. Colangelo going into the season said we wanted to compete for a playoff spot but never garanteed shit.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:07 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think the heads will roll upstairs if we don't make playoffs this year ... it's been what 5-6 years we haven't made the playoffs...
Something like that,only made it twice under Colangelo. Might be time for a change. Acquiring Gay was good on his part but the follow up acquisition is moore important. In my opinion,he had until the trade deadline to work more magic some how but he passed on that. I don't trust him this off season. Colangelo isn't good at tweaking,he's better a completely over hauling situations. This team just needs a few tweaks
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He's a good coach,I'm not confident in him as our head coach though. Ross has been nailed to the bench,not sure why all time. Valanciunas can't see a minute in the 4th no matter how good he plays the prior 3 quarters and if they need his length.
I know, I just chalk it up to him being shat. Why Val and Ross see no burn in the 4th is beyond my ability to reason. He's definitely terrible at bringing along the younger guys.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Doug Smith says we would have made it a third time if Bosh hadn't been so soft..... just sayin
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Doug Smith says we would have made it a third time if Bosh hadn't been so soft..... just sayin
Doug Smith is a douchebag on a good day.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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They both suck at their jobs, but BC has done an infinitely worse job. One day we'll have good management and coaching., hopefully its sooner rather than later.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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It bothers me that Casey has no idea what an offensive system is and he refuses to demand accountability from any of his juggernaut offensive wing shooters. Feed JV for damn sakes.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I've been undecided on where I stand on the coaching/GM situation in Toronto, but its becoming clear that major management changes need to happen to build long term winning culture here in Toronto.

And while we're at it, please move this guy
The next time someone ask us for a 2nd rounder to sweeten a deal, make them take Leo away as a requirement

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I've been undecided on where I stand on the coaching/GM situation in Toronto, but its becoming clear that major management changes need to happen to build long term winning culture here in Toronto.

And while we're at it, please move this guy
The next time someone ask us for a 2nd rounder to sweeten a deal, make them take Leo away as a requirement
Leo would be a better coach for this team than Casey. Yeah, I said it. It may result in us signing any international player that had torched Canada when he was coach, but who doesn't love a dynamic Gary Forbes once in a while!
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Sorry... what veterans?
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:43 PM   #18 (permalink)
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We think NY fans are bad... One thing I noticed by going through their forum to get out "What they're saying" posts is that we don't sound completely different than them.

We freak out after every loss... "Fire X" "Trade X" "HE DID THIS WRONG THIS X TIMES" "HE SHOULD BE PLAYING X MINS" and when it happens, people find new things to complain about and call for more heads for contradictory reasons. If Casey plays the inexperienced Rooks, people shout "Why would you put X in that position", if he keeps a bench player who is rolling in instead of a good starter it's "Why is the bench player playing over the starter" and vice versa. Now I'm not saying every individual contradicts themselves, it's just no way to keep everyone happy.

I have barley any issue with Casey and his rotations, their hard to make. If it were up to all of us, every 12 player would play. That's just not how it works. Most teams have 9 man rotation. From what people say aside from starters, here is who should play: Lucas, Ross, Anderson, Gray, Bargs and Fields. and some noise for Acy too... haven't heard much for Telfair... but it'll come when Lucas struggles. I hope you guys see what's wrong with playing all 12 different players, and how difficult it is trying to figure out who's better then who to play.


He didn't play the young guys as much, sure... he relies on veterans more, and why shouldn't he? This is a philosophy issue, he finds it more of a strength to play vets over young guys.(OBV he'd let a rookie play if he's on a roll) Plenty of reasons of why he thinks that...
Could be cause of their inexperience and their failure to do something. We call these failures off because they're 'young'. ex: Jv constantly not rotating... we see it (maybe some of us don't), some of us subconsciously or consciously discard it... because you don't expect it out of him. You see Ross stand instead of running through screens or being active in some other way, you call it off or don't notice... cause he's a rook. He doesn't run back on D, you call it off, etc.. Instead he plays veterans who don't have an excuse... someone who can be kept accountable, who are more complete and aren't raw talent.


Now off the rotation issue, his offence... Sure he's not a great offensive coach, maybe not even a good one. Please tell me where you think where we'd be without that man? He gets these guys play hard on both ends all night, every night. Casey can learn like other coaches, his coaching career is still young. People saying "just put him as assistant coach" PLEASE... are you serious with that? "Yea Casey, so we see improvement... and you're playing better then you should... no one expected us to be here... but we want more, now, for no reason, so gtfo" Yea, Okay. He'd love that idea. Our offence isn't THAT bad... especially considering we're the 9/10th seed.

Just my two cents, I expected people here to call for someone's head after a loss. Don't take this as me saying the coach is perfect or the GM is perfect. They aren't. However they're doing better then expected.

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Old 02-25-2013, 10:55 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I'd be very happy with Steve Kerr here as our GM and a proven coach like Sloan or Van Gundy.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:02 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Sloan is 70... you think he'd still want to coach? He'd be amazing if he had the energy to sustain three seasons.... then he'd have an assistant take over like Corbin has.
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