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fk24 11-27-2012 10:41 AM

It's time to give Ed Davis a chance
 
Bargnani is what he is at tis point. An inefficient, high volume shooting non rebounding, defending power forward. He's been like that for the vast majority of 7-8 seasons in the NBA.

Ed Davis is in his 3rd NBA season and his having the best season in his career and plays consistently at a high level almost every game. To this point in his career he is still an unknown an is producing. It's time to ride with Ed Davis.

Ex2k 11-27-2012 10:49 AM

+1:yeah:

Someguy again 11-27-2012 10:56 AM

no. a defensive big that hustles with a natural feel for shot blocking? that's not gonna get the raptors to 100 points so we can get pizza.

Bob Loblaw 11-27-2012 10:59 AM

+1

and Ross too

fresh n' spicy 11-27-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 710071)
no. a defensive big that hustles with a natural feel for shot blocking? that's not gonna get the raptors to 100 points so we can get pizza.

and a bigman who is inconsistent shooting 38% will?

creative1mm 11-27-2012 11:21 AM

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no. a defensive big that hustles with a natural feel for shot blocking? that's not gonna get the Raptors to 100 points so we can get pizza.
well.. raptors were doing just fine even with Bargnanni's 2-19 performance, he should have been 1-11 with 14 rebs, but instead he kept on shooting. We can survive with Davis at the four, only if we have a good scoring 3

how many times have we seen Val battling down low for rebounds all by himself, while Barni is on the outside jacking shots.. having Val and Eddy down low would make a good defensive front court, but like I said.. we would need a strong dude at the 3spot

carp 11-27-2012 11:39 AM

I'm obviusly a Bargnani supporter, but I'm not sure what was going on with Casey's rotation, especially that last game. Ed clearly should have gotten more run, he was playing great, much better than he's shown before that game. I'm not sure Ed brings it every game like has been suggested and yet maybe I'm also contributing to this Ed vs AB debate that is unnecessary. Whoever is playing well should keep playing. Neither has been there every game and each does bring something significantly different. It really depends on what the other team is doing because there is a need for both here. Unfortunately it's overshadowed by a nonexistant three hole. Where is Kleiza? Dom seems to be a serviceable rotation player but more is expected of Linas. We desperately need a gamechanger at the three. Too bad we couldn't have swapped Ed for Paul George two years ago. If we can't find a three, AB will be traded.

0nekhmer 11-27-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 710071)
no. a defensive big that hustles with a natural feel for shot blocking? that's not gonna get the raptors to 100 points so we can get pizza.

/s

Someguy again 11-27-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fresh n' spicy (Post 710073)
and a bigman who is inconsistent shooting 38% will?

38% more chance of getting pizza is fine by me :dancing:

MikeToronto 11-27-2012 12:41 PM

The only important role Bargnani was performing on the floor late in Sunday's game was spreading it for others. Yes, even shooting as crappy as he was, he was attracting a defender on the perimeter, thus indirectly helping to create space in the paint for Lowry and DeRozan to drive to the basket. This is something that, unfortunately, Ed wouldn't be able to do.

Luckedout 11-27-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 710091)
The only important role Bargnani was performing on the floor late in Sunday's game was spreading it for others. Yes, even shooting as crappy as he was, he was attracting a defender on the perimeter, thus indirectly helping to create space in the paint for Lowry and DeRozan to drive to the basket. This is something that, unfortunately, Ed wouldn't be able to do.

he was also defending quite well.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-27-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 710091)
The only important role Bargnani was performing on the floor late in Sunday's game was spreading it for others. Yes, even shooting as crappy as he was, he was attracting a defender on the perimeter, thus indirectly helping to create space in the paint for Lowry and DeRozan to drive to the basket. This is something that, unfortunately, Ed wouldn't be able to do.

If ED were to be a starter McGuire wouldn't be starting obviously, someone who could shoot the 3 like LKZ or Ross would start at SF.

MikeToronto 11-27-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckedout (Post 710097)
he was also defending quite well.

Yes, he was. I should have been more explicit in what I meant, that being "offensively".

Bargn88 11-27-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 710091)
The only important role Bargnani was performing on the floor late in Sunday's game was spreading it for others. Yes, even shooting as crappy as he was, he was attracting a defender on the perimeter, thus indirectly helping to create space in the paint for Lowry and DeRozan to drive to the basket. This is something that, unfortunately, Ed wouldn't be able to do.

Bargnani played pretty good defence all throughout the game,especially on Tim Duncan late. They Had Val on Duncan at first, then put Bargnani on him late. If he has a bad shooting night, he better do the other things at least, and he did. Casey even mentioned that yesterday at practice, he was going to leave Ed Davis in there, but he needed someone with size on Duncan, as well as having Andrea spread the floor, allowing Derozan and Lowry to slash and get to the freethrow line.

If you put Davis out there, they don't guard him as tight when he's standing at the perimeter and that allows the defender to stay inside the paint and congest the area, making it harder for the guards to drive to the hoop.

Davis had a great game no question

fancylad 11-27-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 710071)
no. a defensive big that hustles with a natural feel for shot blocking? that's not gonna get the raptors to 100 points so we can get pizza.

awesome. :yeah:

LX 11-27-2012 02:14 PM

Andrea did not need to be in late to guard Duncan. Valanciunas did that just fine on his own late, blocking Tim's shot and then running the floor and getting fouled.

And Andrea did not attract defenders to the perimeter as far as I could see. The Spurs were more than happy to let an ice cold shooter crank out long range shots. Andrea himself said that he was open and that was why he shot. But there was a reason he was open. We simply played into the Spurs hands in a game where Ed and Jonas were cleaning up so many shots from closer range. We voluntarily took away what was giving us an edge, and instead went to something they were more than happy to give us.

And I guarantee you that Ed has been plenty consistent. His only problem has come from pressing too much to perform in short time spans. 3 minute stints are ridiculous, and the only reason he was limited on so many occasions is due to the need for Andrea to get around 40 minutes. The wisdom of Baggednanny getting so much playing time has to come under scrutiny, along with Jose playing in a combo down the stretch every game. The formula for losing is becoming quite apparent.

carp 11-27-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 710132)
Andrea did not need to be in late to guard Duncan. Valanciunas did that just fine on his own late, blocking Tim's shot and then running the floor and getting fouled.

And Andrea did not attract defenders to the perimeter as far as I could see. The Spurs were more than happy to let an ice cold shooter crank out long range shots. Andrea himself said that he was open and that was why he shot. But there was a reason he was open. We simply played into the Spurs hands in a game where Ed and Jonas were cleaning up so many shots from closer range. We voluntarily took away what was giving us an edge, and instead went to something they were more than happy to give us.

And I guarantee you that Ed has been plenty consistent. His only problem has come from pressing too much to perform in short time spans. 3 minute stints are ridiculous, and the only reason he was limited on so many occasions is due to the need for Andrea to get around 40 minutes. The wisdom of Baggednanny getting so much playing time has to come under scrutiny, along with Jose playing in a combo down the stretch every game. The formula for losing is becoming quite apparent.

I agree, three minute stints are brutal.. though Ed hasn't always shined. Should he get more time, yeah, but he looked substantially better last game than he has all year. It has nothing to do with Bargnani

Simonpeng 11-27-2012 02:47 PM

http://memecrunch.com/meme/CD3V/casey/image.png
sorry, no time for ed, according to casey
C: Derozen
PF: Barg (always needs to be in the game)
SF: lucas
SG: Lowery
PG: Jose (for pounding the rock[hold for 22 secs then pick and roll with derozen])

Dario 11-27-2012 03:09 PM

+1 lets see more

TORaptor4Ever 11-27-2012 11:56 PM

I will say this..... If I have to spend the whole season watching a losing team while NOT getting to see deserving young players play I will be VERY disappointed.


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