Interior defense is a problem
Old 10-21-2009, 04:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Now, I'm not really sure what to expect from the Raptors this season, I can only hope for a playoff spot but there is still the same problem from last year and that's the interior defense. Raptors have one of the most talented offensive frontcourts but one of the most dreadful on the defensive end. I've seen Bargnani step up on defense and Bosh has been keen on improving his defense but with these playing the majority of the minutes on defense, it's a huge concern for when teams like Orlando, Cleveland, Boston, Utah, Los Angeles, San Antonio, Denver, Portland and Dallas come into town with their big men and slashers who can easily score down low against us. Don't get me wrong, we've improved the frontcourt with our additions of Nesterovic, Evans and Amir Johnson but we're only looking at around 20 minutes a game for those guys. It's the only thing that really separates us from the "big boys" . What y'all think?
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think a unified and dedicated team can make anyone look formidable.

Time will tell.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Defense is a problem. I'm hoping they are working on solutions. Otherwise there will have to be a trade to address the problem. Note that the problem was not so big when Marion was here. Can they return to that form without Marion? That's what they have to figure out.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree we have to get atleast 45 points per game between Bargs and Bosh to offset there defense and I think we still have to give the back court a chance untill Wright is back.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:08 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes, like SJ said, for defense to be good, the team must play in unison, like singers at the choir. We definitely have players with talent, experience, and athleticism who can strongly impact this team. Since the ingredients are here, all we need is to waiting for the brewing to take in effect. Integrating 60% of the players on this team is not as simple as it looks, and I think Jay has done a decent job so far. Also, I think offense is also our defensive weapon. If we can score points easily, then we can compensate for our lack of defense by wearing down opponents. Phoenix used this technique years ago. At that time, other than Raja Bell, no one on the team is a decent defender.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yes, like SJ said, for defense to be good, the team must play in unison, like singers at the choir. We definitely have players with talent, experience, and athleticism who can strongly impact this team. Since the ingredients are here, all we need is to waiting for the brewing to take in effect. Integrating 60% of the players on this team is not as simple as it looks, and I think Jay has done a decent job so far. Also, I think offense is also our defensive weapon. If we can score points easily, then we can compensate for our lack of defense by wearing down opponents. Phoenix used this technique years ago. At that time, other than Raja Bell, no one on the team is a decent defender.
The style of play your talking about can only get you so far. No team other then Pheonix and Golden State have really been successful with that type of play and these teams never made it to the finals with that style of play. It's best to have a balanced team on Offense and Defense Eg. Boston, LA, and Portland.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The style of play your talking about can only get you so far. No team other then Pheonix and Golden State have really been successful with that type of play and these teams never made it to the finals with that style of play. It's best to have a balanced team on Offense and Defense Eg. Boston, LA, and Portland.
Yes, you're right about that having a balanced team is better than an unbalanced one (of course), but this team has limitations. And unfortunately, as people pointed out, the signing of Hedo brought certain disadvantages including defensive incompetence. And what can you do about it? There is no way that you can transform him into some lock-down defender with the eye of the tiger. What I'm saying is that this team has to use areas in which they are stronger than other teams to compensate for the loss on defense. Even with the new additions this off-season, I say the Raps won't even be in the top 20 in defense. Our team is primarily built on offense and we have to execute it like one.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:29 PM   #8 (permalink)
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defensive incompetence because of hedo?????
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:37 PM   #9 (permalink)
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defensive incompetence because of hedo?????
Lol, I think of Hedo being at least are 4th or 5th best defender. If anybody it is Belinelli who puts a hole in our team defense.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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This was a mediocre to average defensive team WITH Marion, maybe the Turkoglu signing didn't help that cause, but it's not like Turkoglu has taken this team from a good defensive team to a poor one, not at all.

Besides he's a quick, long 6'10", that's a lotta length to beat no matter who you are.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'd say that our defensive issues start on the perimeter. This team so far has been quite horrible in terms of stopping the ball and they've also over-helped, leaving shooters (especially in the corners) wide open for long bombs. Also on the perimeter, our bigs are flashing out on pick-and-rolls a little bit too far for my liking, but that's a whole 'nother issue...

Our bigs are more than OK defending one-on-one in the post. They are also both capable weak-side shot blockers, with Bargs becoming better and better at blocking shots straight up, something Chris for whatever reason is not doing often enough or well enough.

So, to summarize the biggest defensive issues as I see them tonight:

1. Perimeter defence, especially resistance to ball penetration and shooters' coverage.

2. Blocking people out on the defensive glass.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
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This was a mediocre to average defensive team WITH Marion, maybe the Turkoglu signing didn't help that cause, but it's not like Turkoglu has taken this team from a good defensive team to a poor one, not at all.

Besides he's a quick, long 6'10", that's a lotta length to beat no matter who you are.
Even if Hedo did degrade our defense I'm sure getting Wright made up for that degrade.
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Honestly once our point guard gets beat the rest of the players are not quick enuff with their rotations and the opposing team gets the shot or lay up they want. We really need the whole team to know their role and what to do in every situation. We just look lost out there
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The important thing is the raps improved...

Toronto fans always looking for something to talk negatively about.
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The more I think about the Raptors the more concerned I become about defense. I was really excited for the team but I'm starting to really have my doubts about them competing this year.

I'm feeling that they will SQUEEK into the playoffs if they make it at all for the exact reason sunney said.

I don't have confidence that jose will do a good enough job containing his man at the point (yes I know "injury"-this and "preseason"- that). After that we are relying on rotation and help D and I don't think the rest of the guys are up to it.

I'm worried

Hoping for the best tho
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:37 AM   #16 (permalink)
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JT did mention his concerns regarding defense. He stated that players are thinking and not reacting. So while they are learning, they haven't mastered the defense or how to play together, while talking.
So relax, the defense will come as the team learns and gets more comfortable. I don't know about top 10, but this will probably be one of the best 'Raptors' defensive teams. SMitch talked about defense, unfortunately I don't think he gave the players to proper tools to do the job.
Emulating Phoenix style is fine when you have Nash and Stoudemire (sp?), but not for us, we need to find a style that works for Bosh, Bargs and Hedo (that works)...

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Screw the D let's out score every one & win them over with kindiness!
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:25 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Wow, that sounds a lot like the "naive college" defence that many people hear think that Triano is running that no one else does.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:00 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Really dissapointed how about the overall defense displayed by the Raptors during the pre-season. The last time this team played respectable defense was with Kevin O'Neil. That's why I didn't want the Raptors to re-sign Triano as head coach. Triano may say the right things about defense, but I don't think it will ever translate on the court. Mitchell preached the same things about defence, but the team never played defence in the three years Mitchell was here. This team needed a coach with a proven track record for defense during the off-season (Van Gundy,Thibodeua, Hubie Brown), but BC made another head coach mistake.
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Really dissapointed how about the overall defense displayed by the Raptors during the pre-season. The last time this team played respectable defense was with Kevin O'Neil. That's why I didn't want the Raptors to re-sign Triano as head coach. Triano may say the right things about defense, but I don't think it will ever translate on the court. Mitchell preached the same things about defence, but the team never played defence in the three years Mitchell was here. This team needed a coach with a proven track record for defense during the off-season (Van Gundy,Thibodeua, Hubie Brown), but BC made another head coach mistake.
you need the right players to play D also
remember Boston's D in the playoffs wasn't good without KG
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