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Old 11-06-2009, 05:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Yes, I know, only 4 games in, but still...

Last season, the Raps were first in the league shooting free throws at 82.43%, attempting 22.7 per game and making 18.7. This season so far, they are paltry 16th, at 76.19%, but look at the attempts: 36.8 per game (2nd in the league), making 28 of 'em!

"16" seems to be the theme as we look at points per game - last season, the Raps were 16th in the league in scoring, at 99.0 PPG. This season, however, they are third in the league at 108.5 PPG, and that's with the FT% going down!

In short, they are definitely more talented offensively than last season's version (something we kinda knew already) and once the FTs start to fall, they have the potential to become a veritable offensive juggernaut.

Lastly, and more for fun than anything else: the gain in points scored vs. last season is 9.5, while the loss in points allowed (107.5 vs. 101.9) is "only" 5.6!

In other words, so far they've successfully overshot their defensive meekness.
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it seems to be a trend this year to call more fouls
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it seems to be a trend this year to call more fouls
But not all teams have benefited equally, right? Or do you believe that NBA refs would somehow start favouring the Raps?
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So basically your saying defense is so finite. If the raps shave 2 points a game and that is anywhere from 1 to 3 defensive stops a game. The raps will problably be good for maybe 3 to 7 more wins a year.

Now those statistics are so finite why would you abandon any defensive scheme
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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But not all teams have benefited equally, right? Or do you believe that NBA refs would somehow start favouring the Raps?
I have seen a lot of fouls being called around the league
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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So basically your saying defense is so finite. If the raps shave 2 points a game and that is anywhere from 1 to 3 defensive stops a game. The raps will problably be good for maybe 3 to 7 more wins a year.

Now those statistics are so finite why would you abandon any defensive scheme
I honestly don't know exactly what I was trying to say. I've been wondering about some stats early on, went to ESPN, played with tables and published the results.

Extrapolate what you would out of that data - it's pure folly anyway, this early in the season...
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:40 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I honestly don't know exactly what I was trying to say. I've been wondering about some stats early on, went to ESPN, played with tables and published the results.

Extrapolate what you would out of that data - it's pure folly anyway, this early in the season...
Stats are only a guide your opinion should arise on what you watch on the court anyhow. Even JTs schemes aren't really that necessary it just a tool for the team to get to work like one.

I personally find Basketball more about skill and philosphy rather than stats and system
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I personally find Basketball more about skill and philosphy rather than stats and system
Now, that's interesting. How do you differentiate between "philosophy" and a "system"? If you mean "macro-management" vs. "micro-management", I'd probably agree...
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Now, that's interesting. How do you differentiate between "philosophy" and a "system"? If you mean "macro-management" vs. "micro-management", I'd probably agree...
Ya I guess thats what I did mean. I prefer a coach who is more of a Macro type coach for sure. However; the opinions of coaches get alot more complex as we go along. My two favourite Raptor Coaches were problably Butch and KO for various reasons.
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Yes, I know, only 4 games in, but still...

Last season, the Raps were first in the league shooting free throws at 82.43%, attempting 22.7 per game and making 18.7. This season so far, they are paltry 16th, at 76.19%, but look at the attempts: 36.8 per game (2nd in the league), making 28 of 'em!

"16" seems to be the theme as we look at points per game - last season, the Raps were 16th in the league in scoring, at 99.0 PPG. This season, however, they are third in the league at 108.5 PPG, and that's with the FT% going down!

In short, they are definitely more talented offensively than last season's version (something we kinda knew already) and once the FTs start to fall, they have the potential to become a veritable offensive juggernaut.

Lastly, and more for fun than anything else: the gain in points scored vs. last season is 9.5, while the loss in points allowed (107.5 vs. 101.9) is "only" 5.6!

In other words, so far they've successfully overshot their defensive meekness.
When you have CB4 leading the NBA at an insane clip of 16 FTAs per game we shouldn't be surprised.

That's just another reason why all of this "pussy" talk is just so much hogwash.
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Old 11-06-2009, 06:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That's just another reason why all of this "pussy" talk is just so much hogwash.
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Absolutely. I don't always agree with his decisions and he can be frustrating at times but a pussy? That's just typical Toronto sports fans that like to piss on any good players we have and usualy have a tendency to for some reason embrace the "role players".
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When you have CB4 leading the NBA at an insane clip of 16 FTAs per game we shouldn't be surprised.

That's just another reason why all of this "pussy" talk is just so much hogwash.
yeah, the soft jumpshooter thats averaged 8 ft's a game for the last 4 years, something vince has never done any year, or kg or many others

lowsy jumpshooter
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Old 11-06-2009, 06:58 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Getting anybody else to the line besides Bosh consistently the past two years has been like pulling teeth. It's been a great trend this season so far. They do not appear like a jumpshooting team as much as one that attacks the paint, and it's paying off. If they can get the defense to a middling range soon, then they are going to start to really take off.
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Getting anybody else to the line besides Bosh consistently the past two years has been like pulling teeth. It's been a great trend this season so far. They do not appear like a jumpshooting team as much as one that attacks the paint, and it's paying off. If they can get the defense to a middling range soon, then they are going to start to really take off.
Agreed.

I started to notice the difference in the pre-season and I'm glad it's carried over.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Only if they can play better defense . I never doubted the offensive ability of this new squad and I think the defensive game of the second unit is quite good (Reggie/Wright/Jack) but the starters lacks aggressiveness on defense and I have hard time to imagine a more aggressive Jose/Turk/Andrea/Chris anytime soon. While this defensive issue may not be a huge problem during the regular season when you can outscore your opponent, in playoff this will be critical. I hope, somehow Raptors find a way to improve their ability to play more team defense to cover individual deficiencies.
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