Intensity of Raptor Practices
Old 01-03-2010, 04:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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During the game last night against Boston Jack pointed out that the Celtics practice at a very high intensity, specifically, they practice with the same intensity the were showing during the game.

I interpret this to mean that the Celtics practice much harder than the Raptors. If this is indeed the case, isn't it totally unacceptable? How can our team strive for success if they aren't practicing at the same level as the league's top teams?

I've been a quiet Triano supporter thus far under the impression that our practices and preparation were in the top tier of the league (not sure why). Does anyone else think this is a major issue? To me, this is a situation that should be resolved immediately, and if Triano doesn't resolve it, he should be fired as soon as a coach who can raise the intensity of our team is found.
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Not neccessarily Triano.

Boston has KG out on the practice court, mr intensity himselve and Sheed who aint to far off, we have Bosh, Bargs, turk etc.
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Side note, Intensity cannot be forced from a coach
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Side note, Intensity cannot be forced from a coach
Bullshit!
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I would definitely agree that KG would have something to do with that.. But it still seems odd to me that the coach can't direct the intensity of practices somewhat. I've never been involved with an NBA practice so I can't really say. But there must be a way to do it somewhat.

When I'm at work, or back when I was in school, bosses/teachers could always influence my level of focus one way or another. Basketball is just another job and if we have a lax environment that is a direct indictment of the coach. He has to find some way to make guys step up. I recall Sonny Weems commenting that everyone just jokes around too much and that sometimes carries into games. I'm going to guess that means the practice environment isn't highly professional either. I really doubt the Celtics have much trouble preventing goofing off from carrying into games (or into practices for that matter).

Maybe Triano cannot do this himself, but at a minimum he can appeal to the leaders in the locker room to bring discipline to the team.
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I'm sure KG would be a contributing factor. Didn't he shout right in Big Baby's face once during a game making him cry due to lack of effort?
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Bullshit!
I agree..says who?

I've coached and been coached, that statement is simply false.

I've had easy going coaches, and crazy coaches...both resulted in our team playing his style.

Needless to say that since I'm an intense player, I responded much better to the "crazy" coach, but Jay, last night, got outcoached.

We sucked.

DD played 10 minutes too many, we couldn't defend their bread and butter play, off-ball screen...usually a curl...for a jumpshot for Ray or House...shameful IMO.
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I would definitely agree that KG would have something to do with that.. But it still seems odd to me that the coach can't direct the intensity of practices somewhat. I've never been involved with an NBA practice so I can't really say. But there must be a way to do it somewhat.

When I'm at work, or back when I was in school, bosses/teachers could always influence my level of focus one way or another. Basketball is just another job and if we have a lax environment that is a direct indictment of the coach. He has to find some way to make guys step up. I recall Sonny Weems commenting that everyone just jokes around too much and that sometimes carries into games. I'm going to guess that means the practice environment isn't highly professional either. I really doubt the Celtics have much trouble preventing goofing off from carrying into games (or into practices for that matter).

Maybe Triano cannot do this himself, but at a minimum he can appeal to the leaders in the locker room to bring discipline to the team.
I've always bought into the old saying, the team takes on the personality of the coach. I've been in sports all my life and i find that to be quite true. Would you say that Triano is a laid back person, someone who doesn't seem all that intense? Kinda like a boring gym teacher? Yeah, well look at the team on most nights....laid back seemingly not intense or committed.

Then look at Triano's demeanor after losses, he says he "doesn't talk to the team after the game because they know what they did".....very passive and seemingly afraid to ruffle feathers. The players have basically said as much.
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Phil Jackson is as calm as they get.

I don't think Triano creates an environment for internal competition. From what I can tell, that has been lacking his entire time in Toronto. I don't think it has to do with his own demeanor.
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Phil Jackson is as calm as they get.
not true, he snaps, but in a different manner...and also, he often doesn't need to snap at the team, his assistant do that...or Kobe or MJ...

Forget about intensity man, I still don't understand why DD played that many minutes, while Ray rested on D and killed him on offence.

I just don't fucking get it.

Their two best scorers, House and Allen did jack shit on D, they just rested, and ran out SGs to death while attacking us.
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Phil Jackson is as calm as they get.

I don't think Triano creates an environment for internal competition. From what I can tell, that has been lacking his entire time in Toronto. I don't think it has to do with his own demeanor.

Phil Jackson calm?

He can be, but i've seen him get on his players and i remember a few years ago when they were showing the Lakers training camp on NBATV and i gotta say, the guy can get after his players just fine and is intense. He's pretty calm most of the time during games, why....his teams are uaually good and respect him and trust his philosophy. But when his teams fuck up and play like shit, i've seen him go off. And i don't mean by looking like a 7yr old child and breaking a clipboard.

Phil Jackson is a perfectionist and would have this team at around 21-13 right now imo.
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not true, he snaps, but in a different manner...and also, he often doesn't need to snap at the team, his assistant do that...or Kobe or MJ...

Forget about intensity man, I still don't understand why DD played that many minutes, while Ray rested on D and killed him on offence.

I just don't fucking get it.

Their two best scorers, House and Allen did jack shit on D, they just rested, and ran out SGs to death while attacking us.
Triano sucks...Although Nash has proven he can make Triano look good.
And Jay is a nice guy.

Oh shit.. somebody should of told BC that nice guys finish last.
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I would like to know the last time you've seen Phil Jackson "go off".
That would go against everything he believes in.

If he shows anger, it's a cold intentional display of anger with a purpose.

I havn't seen him go off in a very long time.
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Wow now we are questioning the intensity at practice. Whats next the brand of coolaid lol that Caldy passes around at half time is the reason why we are shit in the third quarter ??????
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Wow now we are questioning the intensity at practice. Whats next the brand of coolaid lol that Caldy passes around at half time is the reason why we are shit in the third quarter ??????
You really don't think that intensity in practice doesn't translate to the games? Look around in the NBA and i guarantee you the more intense teams have very business like intense practices. And the shittier teams have a more laid back or disorganized practice.

Demeanor on the practice court= equals demeanor on the game court

It's called an identity which isn't just flicked on gameday like a light switch between popcorn fights and gun battles.
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Triano had to spend too much time babysitting guys and mending hurt feeling when he was an assistant under O'Neil and Mitchell. He's probably having all kinds of trouble being the bad-cop now. It's a shame that pro players require these types of mind-games and manipulation to perform.
Snooch is right though. Boston doesn't play like that because they fear Doc. It's KG that keeps that team in line. It's too bad that Toronto's leadership lacks the personality traits necessary to lead that way here. If I were Bosh I'd be losing it on guys in the locker room.
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Do you really think Rondo, Perkins, Wallace, Pierce and Allen need to be kept in line by KG?? That team doesn't need a coach, or any particular player to keep them "in line". Every key player on that squad including the coach and GM fills that role equally.
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The Celtics had Doc, Pierce, Rondo and Perkins before KG got there and they didn't play with the kind of fire they do now.
The young players who are prone to mistakes and laziness think twice because they have to answer to KG and (I should have said) the other vets.
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Do you really think Rondo, Perkins, Wallace, Pierce and Allen need to be kept in line by KG?? That team doesn't need a coach, or any particular player to keep them "in line". Every key player on that squad including the coach and GM fills that role equally.
Sure, to a degree. I mean when you have a team with that much talent with 3 future HOF players let's face it when they speak their teammates listen. But at the same time, there are a shit load of ego's in that room as well with KG,Pierce,Wallace,Rondo. And don't even think that Doc doesn't have to manage that to a degree. It takes a special personality to coach a team filled with All-stars.
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Sure, to a degree. I mean when you have a team with that much talent with 3 future HOF players let's face it when they speak their teammates listen. But at the same time, there are a shit load of ego's in that room as well with KG,Pierce,Wallace,Rondo. And don't even think that Doc doesn't have to manage that to a degree. It takes a special personality to coach a team filled with All-stars.
I think their is probably less ego in that Boston dressing room than any other dressing room around the league. I'm not taking anything away from Doc, but he has a team that plays only for the team and polices themselves.
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