I'm sorry but Marvin Williams for $37.5 over 5 years looks way better than Turk!!!!

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Old 08-08-2009, 06:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I'm sorry but Marvin Williams for $37.5 over 5 years looks way better than Turk!!!!

Atlanta Hawks re-sign Marvin Williams
August 7, 2009 · Filed Under Atlanta Hawks, News

The Atlanta Hawks today re-signed restricted free agent forward Marvin Williams, according to Executive Vice President/General Manager Rick Sund. ESPN reports that the deal is likely a five year, $37.5 million contract.

“Marvin is an important part of our core, and we’re very pleased to keep him in a Hawks uniform,” Sund said. “As one of our talented and versatile young veterans, he’s shown improvement every year in the league, and we look for that trend to continue. A big priority this summer was to retain as many of our free agents as possible and keep our nucleus intact, so Marvin’s return is significant for us.”

The 23-year-old Williams, entering his fifth year with the Hawks, averaged 13.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg and 1.3 apg in 34.3 mpg (.458 FG%, .355 3FG%, .806 FT%) last season, playing in 61 games (59 starts).

Williams knocked down 55 three-pointers on the season after making just 25 in his first three seasons combined. He ranked second on the team in FTM (220), 3rd in rpg and 4th in ppg, FT% and 3FG%. He scored in double-figures 46 times, including 10 20-point outings, compiling six double-doubles.

In 284 career games, Williams is averaging 12.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg and 1.4 apg in 31.7 mpg (.450 FG%, .801 FT%). He’s also seen action in 13 postseason contests (10 starting assignments), putting up 8.5 ppg.

Williams was originally selected by Atlanta with the second overall pick of the 2005 NBA Draft.

Atlanta Hawks re-sign Marvin Williams : InsideHoops

Did BC make the right move with Turk???


Honestly I would rather have Williams at 7.5 Mill a season than Turk!
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if we had offered it, they would have matched. and if we managed to get him somehow, it would have been for a lot more and we would have lost the mle and all of our bench depth.

does it still look way better?
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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we wouldn't have been able to sign him for that much. the hawks would have matched it.

i think he's a bit overrated anyways. he reminds me of al harrington too much.
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Yeah well, Belinelli (@1.4Mil) is better then Gordon (@ 11Mil) so whatever. Seriously though, to be honest Williams was restricted and we would have had to offer 10-11Mil/yr for them not to match. But the reason why BC had to get Turkoglu is the 4 way trade that went down which allowed us to retain our exemptions. What would we have done with Marion and could something have been worked out in a S&T with Marion/Williams? Highly doubtful. Colangelo made the only deal he could under the circumstances.
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if we had offered it, they would have matched. and if we managed to get him somehow, it would have been for a lot more and we would have lost the mle and all of our bench depth.

does it still look way better?
Good point...But I'm sure BC could have made the same magic happen with the Hawks, Mavs & Grizz as he did with Orlando Mavs & Grizz, & for less coin...


And if we could have gotten Belli for George we also could have gotten Belli for Ukic, Douby or O'Bryant...

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Uh, in case you didn't know, if we signed Williams, we wouldn't have gotten Wright, Belinelli, Jack or Rasho.

And it would have taken more than 7.5 mil to have Williams sign here. Atlanta would have matched it.
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I agree with trane. i still think turk gives us the crunch time scorer and ball handling ability marvin can't. Assuming it would take around 45mil/5 yr so that the hawks wont match, I don't mind paying the extra mil per year for turk.

And although williams does rebound better than turk, it's only 1 per game which is not a huge diff
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Did BC make the right move with Turk???
That would imply he had a ton of options other then Turkoglu. Williams was never gonna be a Raptor. But i'm very happy and excited to have Turk here anyway.
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I'd rather have Turk with the ball late in the game then Williams.
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I'd rather have Turk with the ball late in the game then Williams.

Well it wouldn't be that bad with Jack or even Belli with the ball late in the game as well...

I just think Marvin is a better long term player than Turk thus the reason for this thread...
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BC did a good job. End of story.
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BC did a good job. End of story.
I agree but if there was no mention of Turk & we did everthing the same but it was for Williams instead & for less money say 45 mill? we would have more to spend on free agents, would anyone be upset?


I don't think so.

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BC did a good job. End of story.
I know, leave it to a Raptor fan to second guess our most impressive move of the summer in a summer filled with impressive moves.
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LOL True dat!!!

So what if we could get pretty much the same deal done with ATL as we did with the Magic for 45mill instead of 53 mill?
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What did Williams do for Hawks?Where did they finish the League?Did they play finals?How many last second shots did he make for his team to win?Has he the basketball mind,can he read the play?Can he take responsibility?Where was his team without him and with him now?Can he play in different positions?
First U must answer this questions,then u will see which one is better.And don't forget,Hedo was one of the best Free Agents in this season and Portland was ready to give him what he wants.Even they didn't want to take Williams when they need a Forward badly.Williams' only advantage is his age but he doesn't have the experience that Hedo has
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What did Williams do for Hawks?Where did they finish the League?Did they play finals?How many last second shots did he make for his team to win?Has he the basketball mind,can he read the play?Can he take responsibility?Where was his team without him and with him now?Can he play in different positions?
First U must answer this questions,then u will see which one is better.And don't forget,Hedo was one of the best Free Agents in this season and Portland was ready to give him what he wants.Even they didn't want to take Williams when they need a Forward badly.Williams' only advantage is his age but he doesn't have the experience that Hedo has
Yah but for me I would be at a cross roads between youth & experience...

We would be a great team as well if we had Williams instead of Turk...I'm just saying maybe not quite as good this coming season but in 2 more season I think we would be better cause thats when Turk would probably be on the decline...& Marvin would be just be getting better like he has pretty much each year.

My point is Turk will be good for this year and maybe next year but the years after that who knows...Williams would at least be good for longer than Turk.

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I knew so many potential stars but got lost,so nobody could guarantee for any of the players that they'd play better or worse in 2-3 years.I don't think Williams will ever be a better player than now
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BC did a good job. End of story.





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He did a better job than anyone on this site, anyone in the league, or anyone in the world could have imagined when the off-season started, so lets just be happy and stop being bitchy whiney ungreatful fans because were HELLA lucky to have the roster we do now, no if's ands or but's
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I agree but if there was no mention of Turk & we did everthing the same but it was for Williams instead & for less money say 45 mill? we would have more to spend on free agents, would anyone be upset?


I don't think so.
53 for turk vs 45 for williams?
thats only about 1.4 difference per year which is the vet minimum...

but i see where you're getting at, williams is only 23 and still have potential untapped yet but i wouldn't want to pay for potential especially if it doesn't materialize. with turk, you know what you'll be getting...a savvy veteran who can close out games...williams could be that guy someday, but not right now
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