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Old 09-05-2011, 05:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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There is, of course, one major roadblock to this expansion plan. Toronto, Canada’s largest city, already has a basketball team. Why would Torontonians support an NBL team when they can support the Raptors? It is unlikely that an NBL team could successfully exist in the Raptors’ shadow, so the only way for the league to break into Toronto is to eliminate the competition. To do that, they will need to take a page from college athletics and snatch the Raptors from the NBA. David Stern has mentioned contraction as a reasonable possibility, and by virtue of being one of the league’s 22 unprofitable teams, the Raptors are not immune from such talk. However, they have more pressing reasons than random chance to worry about contraction.

The Raptors are the only NBA team in Canada, and that isolates them from the rest of the league. For better or worse, they are beholden to exchange rate fluctuations and different tax laws from the rest of the league. These complications could be avoided if they were simply removed from the equation. Moreover, they would mean more to the NBL than they ever could to the NBA. Instead of being an afterthought, they would be the league’s signature franchise. The NBL should pursue this aggressively, because they could improve their league’s franchise and the NBA could get rid of dead weight. In fact, the NBL should aim to purchase the Raptors from the NBA. It is not a viable option now, but if the NBA’s financial woes continue, this could solve some problems.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Is there anything about this shit that makes it seem like anyone should be aware of it at all? Given the choice between this and an essay on ladybugs by a third grader, I'd take the ladybugs every time.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Jesus.

Sadly, shit like this actually sticks in the media down south, they start this shit up and after a few years, it becomes "fact", just like all myths of Toronto.

Not the leader by any means, even with a shitty team Toronto is in the top half in revenue and in attendance. Further to that, speaking to the "beholden to rate change fluctuations" comment. What a laugher that is. The US economy is in the shitter and getting worse, the actuality is that Toronto will be more likely to be the only team in the NBA that actually prospers from the dollar, so please fuck off.

Anyhow, follow canadian sports, this is what ya have to deal with.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Did 6cubed write this article? Sounds about his level.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Why even post this? Just adding to the views on his waste-of-time article.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:22 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The NBL will and should be focusing on surviving their inaugural season. The last canadian pro league lasted a few games. Purchasing NBA teams is maybe a 4,5 decades away.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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This article is terrible but let's extend beyond that to the premise of the argument itself.

Why the issues faced by one group of paid professionals that fly everywhere, work better for less paid professionals that have lower travel budgets?

I don't know much about the d-league structure but sounds like it would be a bigger burden on them.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:29 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Why would Torontonians support an NBL team when they can support the Raptors? It is unlikely that an NBL team could successfully exist in the Raptors’ shadow, so the only way for the league to break into Toronto is to eliminate the competition.
The D-League isn't doing too well either, why don't we just contract the entire league and join the D-League...

Seriously, the Raptors are pretty bad, but compared to the NBL they look like the Los Angeles Lakers...
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The D-League isn't doing too well either, why don't we just contract the entire league and join the D-League...

Seriously, the Raptors are pretty bad, but compared to the NBL they look like the Los Angeles Lakers...
Yeah but if the NBL buys the Raptors that comparison becomes moot.

And there is no way in hell this kind of shit piece gets thought of as anything more than a ludicrous piece of garbage from start to finish. Let's not make out like it's poor us for having the media against us. This in no way reflects the viewpoints of the US media.
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
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This in no way reflects the viewpoints of the US media.
Please! Maybe not to this degree, but the US media (more reputable than this) has brought up pretty much everything in this article, from taxes and weather to retraction. This is the worst i've seen but to say this isn't a reflection on the views of US media is imo wrong. Just take a look at Ed Davis interview at the draft and the ignorant questions about taxes. None of this crap is all that new.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Please! Maybe not to this degree, but the US media (more reputable than this) has brought up pretty much everything in this article, from taxes and weather to retraction. This is the worst i've seen but to say this isn't a reflection on the views of US media is imo wrong. Just take a look at Ed Davis interview at the draft and the ignorant questions about taxes. None of this crap is all that new.
Come on Jeff. Poor, poor us. Yes there have been instances of pointing out disadvantages to playing in Toronto. And there have been instances of praising Toronto as a place to play. Retraction? Having the NBL take over the Toronto market, and maybe someday competing with the NBA for the rights to players? Let's not make that out as commonplace so we can feel sorry for ourselves.

Taxes are an issue and a complication. It is cold here. It honestly is. And the hassle of crossing the border is not something the rest of the league has to deal with regularly. Educational concerns and access to ESPN is something that really crosses the minds of players that come here. None of it is a huge deal, but together they do represent a bit of a barrier that needs to be overcome. It's not such a horrible injustice to have the media pick up on that. It sucks when they harp on it too much, but that happens everywhere. What this 4th grader has concocted should not be compared to the worst instances of sensationalist journalism. His teacher would likely ask him to redo it if he were to hand it in for grading.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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This pisses me off so much, I'm not a violent person but I wanna punch the other straight across the face right now.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:38 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Have the Raptors been called unprofitable in any other place besides this random piece of shit?
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Old 09-06-2011, 12:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Aren't income taxes significantly different state-to-state? Isn't it cold in winter in places like Boston, Detroit, Minny or even New York? Aren't Raps actually profitable?

In short - facts must never stand in a way of a good theory.
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:23 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I won't :deadhorse: about the level of the article, everyone here knows it's crap.

I'm more interested in the whole "canadian basketball league won't have room to grow" thing.
Not every basketball league is supposed to be a multi billion dollar organization.
It seems to me there's plenty of room to build a good professional league in Canada.
There are good leagues in Europe that combine for a lesser budget than Raptors alone. They have fans and they play quality basketball.

NBA is nice and all, but it will never replace local basketball.
Neither will NBDL as the teams lack true identity or continuity. Can't really build a loyal fanbase in Austin or whereever when your best guys clearly don't want to be there or even perceive being there as a sort of a punishment for failing in the NBA.

Poland or Latvia or Ukraine or Germany have good leagues and attract decent talent.
It's not close to the main sport there, nor are those top 10 leagues in the world.
Nor are those very rich countries except Germany.
But they are competitive, they attract good serious talent, they generally pay much better than NBDL. They even attract a ton of Americans despite being far away and 'scary' foreign speaking places.

So it's surprising to me that you guys don't have a good national league - or didn't until now. You could easily channel a lot of NBDL and NCAA graduate talent your way.
It's not like you care about basketball less than Germans or Belgians or a ton of other soccer / handball / rugby places.
You even got big name Canadian players who could endorse you, unlike Germans did when their league started to look good. {they had Detlef Shrempf back then, who didn't even play for their national team much compared to Nash}

Am I missing something?
The only reasons I can think of are that the distances are huge and population isn't. But then the same can be said about Australia, and their league is good. Heck, Russian basketball federation has good teams in Siberia...
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:59 PM   #19 (permalink)
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quite honestly, canadians in large cities don't typically spend money to see 2nd or 3rd rate talent unless it is youth sports. the top leagues do well, and the rest basically don't. local hockey in small towns is one thing. trying to compete with the top dogs in major metropolitan centres is quite another.
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Old 09-06-2011, 06:54 PM   #20 (permalink)
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quite honestly, canadians in large cities don't typically spend money to see 2nd or 3rd rate talent unless it is youth sports. the top leagues do well, and the rest basically don't. local hockey in small towns is one thing. trying to compete with the top dogs in major metropolitan centres is quite another.
When I first heard London was having a pro team my first thought is that it would be the same old song and dance as last time and it most likely will be. But after visiting the NBL website, it has drawn my interest enough to gander the rosters(the ones currently available online). Having 4 teams in the maritimes with one in quebec and only two in ontario is a sound strategy. Halifax seems pretty keen on basketball, and apparently their team (Rainmen) have been around for a few years playing in the ABA and PBL but teams were folding left, right and centre in those leagues so they decided to initiate a more 'professional' Canadian league with the homebase being in the maritimes.

Alas, their seems to be a few to many young Americans on the teams who I'm sure have no interest in sticking around. I'll make an effort to attend a London Lighting (horrible name) game this year, but I'll admit I'm one of those people usually put off by borderline professional talent. Having former NBA player Michael Richardson as head coach doesn't do much for me either.

If pro teams are going to stick around in Ontario, I think the most likely route will be grassroot mens-league type teams falling back on the support of large amateur organizations. Playing for peanuts, but attempting to develop a tradition in Canada.

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