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Old 05-26-2013, 06:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default If you want to see this team "blown up", what are your expectations?

Some people seem to be on board with "blowing up" the current roster.

The Raps have missed the playoffs 5 years in a row.

The Raps have only 2 playoff appearances in the past 11 seasons.

So, if the team is getting blown up, what are your expectations? With that question, I'm asking a few things. If this team is blown up, how quickly do you expect to be back in the playoffs? Are you willing to tank for 2-3 years? If not, then what do you mean by "blow things up"? Trade core rotation players (other than JV) for other teams' rotation players?
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I can't take another complete blowup. Trade Bargs, Derozan (together or seperately) if a good package can be had (a SG that can shoot + backup PG?), add a good vet shooter off the bench with the MLE and a vet big on the cheap. I don't see this team blowing it up completely again. Then you hope Ross can improve his shooting stroke and Valanciunas can average 14/9/1.5 in 30mpg.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't think the young guys would be served all that well by sucking for a few years. Even if you're looking at Jonas being the only young guy left after blowing it up.
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I don't think the young guys would be served all that well by sucking for a few years.
Can you imagine Derozan if he's kept here and the team is blown up around him? That guy will not want to stay here and who could blame him. 5th season, second rebuild and if DC is fired he'd be looking at his 3rd coach coming in. Yikes!!
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If the new GM ( whoever it is) has a smart plan, blowing it up doesn't mean trading players for picks, because picks take 2-3 years to become near decent. But we have tradeable assets- Ross, Derozan,Lowry and Bargnani. That list will send some people into apoplexy, but it isn't what's going out that matters, it's what's coming in return.
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you mean there aren't any answers out of the bunch here?

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Old 05-26-2013, 07:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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omg trade everyone for draft picks! blow it up! draft picks and tpe! wiggins 2014 omg i'm awesome!!
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If the new GM ( whoever it is) has a smart plan, blowing it up doesn't mean trading players for picks, because picks take 2-3 years to become near decent. But we have tradeable assets- Ross, Derozan,Lowry and Bargnani. That list will send some people into apoplexy, but it isn't what's going out that matters, it's what's coming in return.
If some of those players or even all of them are traded for established players that can get us in a different direction i have no problem with that.

In other words, if you can trade some of those players and get an Ilyasova type of player + a shooter that fits then i'd be down for that. I think that whoever comes in here will deal 2-3 players and make changes that way and add vets off the bench using the MLE & mini MLE. Just a guess obviously but something like that is what i would expect.
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you mean there aren't any answers out of the bunch here?

Amazing
This post of a whole lot of nothing isn't amazing nor is it shocking.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:35 PM   #10 (permalink)
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hahaha

I'd take that kid, def.

Toronto just needs players that can play. After Calderon left, the last bit of what I thought was high basketball IQ went with him, now you have very little. I have been reading all this GM BS, new President, blah blah. This will be the longest off season ever if you ask me. Thousands of posts and threads bout nothing. Not anyones fault I guess, but honestly man, it's gonna suck.

I guess some new guy is going to come in and fix Toronto? Gonna make players come here? Rookies pan out? Current PG learn t play PG? Current 2-3 guards learn to hit outside jumpers? Play defence?

I dunno mn, I don't see it, but who knows, crazier things have happened.
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This post of a whole lot of nothing isn't amazing nor is it shocking.
I dunno Jeff, everyone has all the answers all the time, then they get what they want, and none have a fucking clue what comes next...I think THAT is neither shocking or amazing.
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I dunno Jeff, everyone has all the answers all the time, then they get what they want, and none have a fucking clue what comes next...I think THAT is neither shocking or amazing.
It's why we're not GM's
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thank god, I'd be lost. I have no idea how they will turn this team around.
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thank god, I'd be lost. I have no idea how they will turn this team around.
It's not that bad, we've been in worse positions imo.
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2-3 guards learn to hit outside jumpers? Play defence?
Don't really mean to be picky and I'm more than possitive you know it yourself, but 3 is not a guard. Oh and Rudy is a pretty good defender imo
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I am all for full blow up and expect at least 3 seasons until we are back. However, I would also expect a natural progression where in the 3rd season we'd be a playoff contender already. I would only keep jv and Ross and Amir.
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It's possible that there will be a re-build, but after evaluation.

Outside of Bargnani, I don't know that they can do much right away. Definitely more evaluation required. The rotation is young enough that they don't know what each player is going to bring coming into the next season. I'd play them and find out who should remain part of the core.

Are Gay and Lowry both going to focus on stellar conditioning to lead this team?
Are Demar and Gay going to shoot 3's in the off-season 'til they're exhausted?
Ross is 23 next year. Will he show signs he can be a part of a championship?
Is Kleiza going to prove healthy enough to be a part of a trade as an expiring?

If the direction is going to be to let go of players who are not likely to be a part of an elite team, as of right now, I'd like to see any combo of Gray, Bargnani, Kleiza and Fields shipped out.

But after you've evaluated who could be part of your contending core, either extend them or get rid of them ASAP. Especially threats to leave town (who did not choose Toronto and have expressed no particular interest to stay) like Gay and/or Lowry.
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Old 05-26-2013, 08:59 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Tank next year. Trade players now for draft picks later - maybe a little less protection on picks that are a future concern - or for picks in this draft, since it is considered weak. Take back a couple short term bad contracts if need be. Attempt to reduce salary in those trades, but priority on picks and/or some disappointing prospects that may just need a second chance. If salary is reduced enough, amnesty Bargnani to get enough cap space to make some salary absorbing deals - trade small expiring a like Kleiza, Gray, etc for larger 2 or 3 year contracts in exchange for picks. Sign young undraftees and try to buy a few 2nd rounders in this draft to fill out roster. In trades, keep Valanciunas at all costs. Try to keep Acy and Ross. Keep Amir unless there is a high lotto pick out there for him. Everyone else can be moved.

Next summer, if we have open cap space, target some young RFA (or UFA, but the players would tend to be older, so less emphasis there) and put in a slightly high offer. If matched, no problem. No huge offers to scare competition away. Try with several RFA's - no rush to get someone signed. If that fails, fill out roster with more 2nd rounders and undraftees. When signing 2nd rounders and undraftees, sign for non-minimum, with team option for 3rd year, leaving team with Bird rights and RFA status if player develops well. Repeat the following offseason, with more aggressive offers on RFA's.

After the 3rd season, depending on how the youth has developed, start making serious offers to UFA's and older players to get competitive. Explore moving any redundant pieces for more vet help.

So, 3 or 4 seasons is what I would buy into.
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:05 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I also want to clarify that I do not want a blow up, but I see no other way of moving forward, if title is the goal. Our talent level is average at best and unless somebody comes up with a magical solution to turn 2+2 into 5, I fail to see how we could improve by the orders of magnitude required to turn a 35 wins team into a 55 wins one ...
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:08 PM   #20 (permalink)
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can blow up peoples plans? i expected plans like this from the irrational crowd, not the calculated stat type.
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