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Old 12-10-2008, 12:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Let's say for the sake of argument that this team is not salvageable as constructed. I hope everyone here realizes that we are actually in a great position to blow it all up - the team doesn't carry a single "bad" contract, taking into account JO's deal that expires after the next season.

Of all the players currently on the roster, only Bosh, Calderon and Kapono have contracts extending beyond 09-10 and even those contracts are quite movable. So, if BC felt this is the way to go, he could conceivably start tanking as early as this season, get rid of the assets or let them expire and go to the draft or FA market to create a brand-new roster. He could.... Now, will he? More importantly - would you in his place?

Personally, I wouldn't do anything at this point. I'd let Triano finish the season, and if they fall deep into lottery - so be it. I'd go after Messina in the off-season (or after whomever BC had in mind for the head-coaching job) and I'd also use JO's contract and whatever other means I had to try and improve our wings. Then, next season, I'd hope for the team to improve enough in terms of coaching and the roster to convince Bosh to stay. If the certainty is not there - trade him near trade deadline next year, hopefully for a decent center-piece or high enough draft picks and start anew. At that point, he'd also have to make a decision on Bargnani, giving Andrea another year to prove that he belongs in the upper echelon of the league. BC will also be able to understand by then what Ukic is capable of and, hopefully, make a final decision on Graham.
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no kidding. this is why the jo trade was such a good idea in the first place. what a revelation...
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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So the genius behind BCs trade was he realized this team was hopeless and planned to blow it up down the line?? Wow, pure GMing genius, guess thats why he brought in most of the pieces except the main 2 he seems to be committed to sticking to, what a great plan!
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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So the genius behind BCs trade was he realized this team was hopeless and planned to blow it up down the line?? Wow, pure GMing genius, guess thats why he brought in most of the pieces except the main 2 he seems to be committed to sticking to, what a great plan!
Going short-term on team contracts is the #1 way to get out of a jam. If you decide to blow the team up, you will have high draft picks and cash to attract free agents.

-The Celtics dug themselves out of hell by trading all their long term contracts minus Pierce (Antoine Walker, Raef Lafrentz, etc.), stunk for a couple years and got some picks, then traded for KG and Allen. That worked out pretty well.

-Detroit has been pursuing this strategy for the past 2 seasons. The only reason they traded Billups is for cap space next year and especially the year after.

-Atlanta has been playing a lot of catch & release lately and is finally moving up.

-The Spurs have been doing this for years with their role players (Duncan, Manu and Ginobili on long contracts, everyone else on 1-2 year deals).


-Now, you can win without using this strategy, but you need to have one of the top 5 players in the league or so. Cleveland has actually traded for MORE contracts, and re-rolled the dice on their roster a couple times in the past few years, but they have LeBron James... Ditto the Lakers with Kobe.


In today's NBA, to be competitive, every contract needs to be producing something for the team, and teams cannot be hamstrung in the long term with bad contracts and expect to win. Donnie Walsh was brought into NY to cut their payroll, and as of right now, they are on pace to go from ~$130 million last season (not including luxury tax!) to $100 million this year, to about $90 million next year, to about $35 million the year after that (and nothing guaranteed so far for 2011/2012).
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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So the genius behind BCs trade was he realized this team was hopeless and planned to blow it up down the line?? Wow, pure GMing genius, guess thats why he brought in most of the pieces except the main 2 he seems to be committed to sticking to, what a great plan!
your sarcasm is misplaced, what it means in fact is that Colangelo is always thinking short and long term when making deals. If a deal doesn't work for both, he will not pursue. Even trades that seem risky (CV for TJ, TJ for JO, Parker and Garbajosa) were not that risky for our long term health.
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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if trading Bosh is a real possibility next year, then waiting til next year is a bad move. Bosh's value is never going to be higher than it is right now. i'll even concede that his trade value will still be high during this upcoming off-season. once the season begins, they won't trade him until at least the 20-game mark. and, at that point, he's only a rented player. and, you don't get much for rented players...

i'd hate for this team to get into another situation like they had with carter.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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there is only one scenario where we trade Bosh: if Bosh makes is clear that he will leave. If Bosh goes to BC and tells him "if we're not good enough, I'm leaving", than BC will not trade him (he knows that anyway). I don't see how trading Bosh would make us a better team, unless it's a Bosh for Nowitzki, or Bosh for Stoudemire kind of deal (and it's shaky even in that case)
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If Bosh is traded, the right move is to get younger with picks + great prospects on the verge of taking it to the next level. The raps should not be trying to get older.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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yes - if you trade Bosh you must go into rebuilding. anyway - it's an extremely unlikely scenario.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:11 PM   #10 (permalink)
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there is only one scenario where we trade Bosh: if Bosh makes is clear that he will leave. If Bosh goes to BC and tells him "if we're not good enough, I'm leaving", than BC will not trade him (he knows that anyway). I don't see how trading Bosh would make us a better team, unless it's a Bosh for Nowitzki, or Bosh for Stoudemire kind of deal (and it's shaky even in that case)
So it could easily be a Tmac type situation, we think everything could work out and bam , we lose him for nothing? Kinda blows.

I just dont see the logic in taking a few years to turn a team from crap to medicore .500 then start all over again, unless you admit you did a crap job of building it in the 1st place.
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Sure - but that can be said about any team in the league right now that has a superstar waiting to become a free agent in 2 years. The truth is that this year doesn't matter a single bit - if Cleveland next year doesn't make the playoffs, Lebron is gone, regardless of how dominant they are this season. Same with us, if next year we're good, Bosh will stay. If not, you can always trade by the deadline (and btw, I expect February 2010 to be a record breaking year in terms of blockbuster trades). Any team who feels they might lose their star will put them on the market, and it's going to be a really fun deadline to watch ...

As for rebuilding, you're talking like building a team is a sure fire thing, all you have to do is apply some basic rules and bam, you have a winner. It doesn't work like that, the process is too prone to random events. How many bad teams in the past 5 years have rise from the basement to contender status (without lucking out on a game changing player like lebron, wade, chris paul or howard)? Besides Boston, I can't think of any other. Chicago got close and then maxed out and had to partially start over. Portland seems to be a real success story, but it remains to be seen what happens.

You can't do everything right and still fail (not to say that BC didn't make any mistake) - and if you do, it's better to start over then to remain mediocre for eternity, not good enough to contend and not bad enough to draft high. That being said, I don't think BC thinks for a minute about going into rebuilding, it's just fans exploring every alternative (because we can afford to do that ... ).
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