If we were to trade Bargnani, what would be a realistic trade scenario? - Page 9
Old 11-28-2012, 03:25 PM   #161 (permalink)
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this is why jose would have to be there. Both of them would be a great fit for the lakers. the are desperate for three point shooting. And Barg's skill set is almost ideal for what they are try to accomplish spacing wise. And Calderon is a steady hand for a team who is going to continue to struggle with turn overs. THe main issue is that the role gasol is playing right now could easily be filled with a player with a small percentage of his skill set. THe lakers don't need tobe paying 20 million for it.
I don't see Jose getting much time on the Lakers with Nash & Duhon there(and if the manage to keep Blake too,that's possibly 4 PG's). They may be interested because he's an expiring but I seriously believe they could get better than Bargs & Jose primarily,for Gasol.
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I whole heartedly agree, and I think Gasol can work in TO too BUT the Lakers aren't giving up Gasol for Bargnani + Calderon + fillers from the Raps when they could fetch more for Pau. I think if TO includes a third and maybe foruth team its possible,but then one of those teams would want Pau too.
Disagree... I bet LA gives Pau for Bargnani and Jose in a heartbeat. Both guys would look so much better with Dwight Howard in the middle. They save money instantly and I bet Jose re-signs for cheap just because they're winners.
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Disagree... I bet LA gives Pau for Bargnani and Jose in a heartbeat. Both guys would look so much better with Dwight Howard in the middle. They save money instantly and I bet Jose re-signs for cheap just because they're winners.
Valid points,but basically you're strongly suggesting BC is holding back this deal then !?!? Lol,Idk Carp...to me,if it was true,Gasol would be sporting white & red wearing #16 already!

Who knows where Gasol ends up but I think he'll get moved this season. My pick is Chicago,Houston or Minnesota.
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I don't see Jose getting much time on the Lakers with Nash & Duhon there(and if the manage to keep Blake too,that's possibly 4 PG's). They may be interested because he's an expiring but I seriously believe they could get better than Bargs & Jose primarily,for Gasol.
You keep saying there is so much out there. IMO it this or Korver and J smith.
Utah is going to be going all out to resign jefferson and milsap. the lakers aren't going to take Boozer and the bulls aren't going to give up gibson. And they aren't going straight up for Amare or Nene. THe rest of the teams either have PF already established in there systems or the teams would have to dismantle portions of there starting line up to get PAu. Korver and josh Smith address some of those issue for the lakers, but you adding another huge personality into the mix, on a team that is already struggling to gel.
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You keep saying there is so much out there. IMO it this or Korver and J smith.
Utah is going to be going all out to resign jefferson and milsap. the lakers aren't going to take Boozer and the bulls aren't going to give up gibson. And they aren't going straight up for Amare or Nene. THe rest of the teams either have PF already established in there systems or the teams would have to dismantle portions of there starting line up to get PAu. Korver and josh Smith address some of those issue for the lakers, but you adding another huge personality into the mix, on a team that is already struggling to gel.
You never know who may decide one day,they feel like they can be title contenders and Gasol is their missing piece. Denver could shock us and trade Faried+Chandler+Harrington for Gasol. That would be a better package for starters than Bargnani+Calderon. They'd have a line up of McGee,Gasol,Gallinari,Igoudola & Lawson,that would compete in the West. The Pacers could send a hobbled Granger+West+Filler for MWP+Gasol. LA would be getting more in that deal too,compared to what you guys seeing TO offering.
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Valid points,but basically you're strongly suggesting BC is holding back this deal then !?!? Lol,Idk Carp...to me,if it was true,Gasol would be sporting white & red wearing #16 already!

Who knows where Gasol ends up but I think he'll get moved this season. My pick is Chicago,Houston or Minnesota.
I believe that taking back an aging Pau with knee issues that has slowed down quite a bit and has been the source of much Laker disappointment and trade talk for the last few years is too much of a risk. Giving up two of your better players and losing any flexiblity to improve when you're already so far away from competing isn't wise in my opinion. Pau used to be amazing, it's been a long long time since he was dominant.
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You never know who may decide one day,they feel like they can be title contenders and Gasol is their missing piece. Denver could shock us and trade Faried+Chandler+Harrington for Gasol. That would be a better package for starters than Bargnani+Calderon. They'd have a line up of McGee,Gasol,Gallinari,Igoudola & Lawson,that would compete in the West. The Pacers could send a hobbled Granger+West+Filler for MWP+Gasol. LA would be getting more in that deal too,compared to what you guys seeing TO offering.
THe lakers need three point shooting. Denver is not going to trade a double double machine like faried for gasol. they need speed at there 4 to make up for all the slow movers in koufos/ mosgov / mcgee. West would be a perfect fit but bird isn't going to trade away the key stone of his offense to get the same spacing debacle the lakers are in right now with hibbert and gasol.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:46 PM   #168 (permalink)
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i have no idea about the salaries/contracts ect but

if we could get josh smith on this team through s&t or whatever.
and keep lowry/derozan/ross/ed/val

OMG do it nao.
trade cald/bargs/amir/whoever
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:32 PM   #169 (permalink)
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Lowry and Jsmith have the same personalities almost. Dont they?
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:38 PM   #170 (permalink)
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I want Deng. Great defender, would do well on this team.
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I want Deng. Great defender, would do well on this team.
he's struggling with injuries though, but I would take him
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:08 PM   #172 (permalink)
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I believe that taking back an aging Pau with knee issues that has slowed down quite a bit and has been the source of much Laker disappointment and trade talk for the last few years is too much of a risk. Giving up two of your better players and losing any flexiblity to improve when you're already so far away from competing isn't wise in my opinion. Pau used to be amazing, it's been a long long time since he was dominant.
Jose is an expiring and I'd rather have Pau's salary next season then hear BC talk about some false sense of significant cap space and have another mediocre wing player signed. Pau has been a #2 option on a championship team. Even if he does "bad", his "bad" right now is 13 ppg, 9 rpg, 3.3 apg and 1.3 bpg which wouldn't be horrible. Also, he's shooting bad but he's been a solid option on offense before. It's hard not seeing his FG % increase here and his PPG increase as well, if not, he expires next year (as does KL).
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not sure if it has been said, but gasol would be a great mentor for val
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not sure if it has been said, but gasol would be a great mentor for val
that too, I kind of hope Jonas becomes a cross between Noah and Pau.
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that too, I kind of hope Jonas becomes a cross between Noah and Pau.
uggh, we need him to be better.
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I would do Bargs and Calderon for Gasol and Blake for sure. I'm fairly confident BC would as well. If we could package someone else instead of Calderon like an Amir that would be better for us in the sense we can then try to ship Calderon for a wing. Something like Calderon for Marion and a pick (they get space, and Marion will expire with Gasol) or Calderon and T Ross for a better wing but that person is currently not available. Nevertheless, we could still make subsequent trades for a wing even with Calderon packaged in a Gasol trade. We have the pieces to pick up an Ariza, Chandler, or Salmons. The Lakers have probably thought about this trade but are waiting for Nash to get healthy to see how it all works out. IMO, I don't see Gasol finishing the season with the Lakers. I seriously think the Lakers under Dantoni would be better with Bargnani over Gasol. Whether it's Toronto that gets him, we'll have to wait and see.
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uggh, we need him to be better.
you're right, one of the best defensive C's who, alongside Deng, were the best defensive players on a team that came 1st in the league combined with the 2nd best player on 2 championship squads and a world champion as well (not to mention being able to play PF and/or C quite effectively).
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you're right, one of the best defensive C's who, alongside Deng, were the best defensive players on a team that came 1st in the league combined with the 2nd best player on 2 championship squads and a world champion as well (not to mention being able to play PF and/or C quite effectively).
actually, when you said a combo of those two, I naturally assumed you meant a combination of their weaknesses. Next time please be more specific. I was imagining JV being some plantar fascitis, weak-kneed nappy headed llama dude. My bad.

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Jose is an expiring and I'd rather have Pau's salary next season then hear BC talk about some false sense of significant cap space and have another mediocre wing player signed. Pau has been a #2 option on a championship team. Even if he does "bad", his "bad" right now is 13 ppg, 9 rpg, 3.3 apg and 1.3 bpg which wouldn't be horrible. Also, he's shooting bad but he's been a solid option on offense before. It's hard not seeing his FG % increase here and his PPG increase as well, if not, he expires next year (as does KL).
This is the thing that gets undervalued in a Gasol for Bargnani trade: We're already up against the cap without Calderon next year and we could only use the mid-level. Like you said, I don't want to overpay for a mediocre wing player or a natural SG and say we think he can play the 3. I would rather take Gasol, who not only can contribute right away, but more importantly with his contract coming off the books after 2013, it actually gives us sufficient space to go after a legitimate player.
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actually, when you said a combo of those two, I naturally assumed you meant a combination of their weaknesses. Next time please be more specific. I was imagining JV being some plantar fascitis, weak-kneed nappy headed llama dude. My bad.

lol. but seriously you just said you need jonas to be better than the best mix of pau and noah. he's not the next td or kg (although that would be nice).
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