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Old 11-26-2012, 10:40 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Bargnani for Ersan Ilyasova. He makes similiar money, and is struggling this year too. He is probably struggling because he is adjusting to two ball hogs (Jennings and Ellis). He is probably expendable with the emergence of rookie Henson. He call perfectly fit with his perimeter game, can rebound and play defense, and play small ball if the opponent's puts a SF at the foward position. He's only 25 years old, and can be part of the core moving forward.

-Lowry, Ross, Derozan, Ilyasova, and Val.
God, I would love that. EXACTLY the type of player that we need IMO (attitude-wise).
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:41 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Bargnani for Ersan Ilyasova. He makes similiar money, and is struggling this year too. He is probably struggling because he is adjusting to two ball hogs (Jennings and Ellis). He is probably expendable with the emergence of rookie Henson. He call perfectly fit with his perimter game, can rebound and play defense, and play small ball if the opponent's puts a SF at the foward position. He's only 25 years old, and can be part of the core moving forward.

-Lowry, Ross, Derozan, Ilyasova, and Val.

As much as I'd prefer to get a SF I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. Don't see them giving up on him just yet though.

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Old 11-26-2012, 10:47 AM   #103 (permalink)
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Wow, I didn't realize how badly Ilyasova has regressed from last season. The dude was just balling towards the end. He had a monster game against us too if I remember correctly. Sucks to see a guy get a decent contract and then go to the crapper.

Amazing Milwaukee has a winning record with Ellis and Jennings being such inefficient scorers.

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:31 AM   #104 (permalink)
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I'm still holding out hope for Josh Smith.

There might not be a perfect player size/talent wise to be the 4 on this team. He's bolting from ATL no matter what and they probably better off dealing him sooner rather than later.

Lowry - Jose
DeRozan - Ross
ACC fans - Fields
Smith - Davis
Valanciunas - Amir
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:38 AM   #105 (permalink)
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I hate to think about getting ilyasova in return. Because it makes me way too happy. Now I have to try to unsee the suggestion.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:16 PM   #106 (permalink)
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I'm still holding out hope for Josh Smith.

There might not be a perfect player size/talent wise to be the 4 on this team. He's bolting from ATL no matter what and they probably better off dealing him sooner rather than later.

Lowry - Jose
DeRozan - Ross
ACC fans - Fields
Smith - Davis
Valanciunas - Amir
Talent-wise Smith is tempting.... but I just can't shake the visions of him getting here to TO and just jacking up 3s and playing like a boob for the rest of the season until he leaves for greener pastures.

I don't want a rental player like that.
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Talent-wise Smith is tempting.... but I just can't shake the visions of him getting here to TO and just jacking up 3s and playing like a boob for the rest of the season until he leaves for greener pastures.

I don't want a rental player like that.
Hard to say that for sure man. His chucking has subsided significantly over the last couple of years. You also gotta consider the fact that we got players on this team who play his brand of basketball. Worst case scenario we have his bird rights which would be a solid bargaining chip.

But the idea of a core of JOVA, Lowry, JSmoove, and DD is exciting as shit to me.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:53 PM   #108 (permalink)
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As much as I understand the sentiment behind wishing to trade Bargnani, now is certainly not the time. If he is to be traded, BC would have to hope that he picks up his game somehow enough to bring his value up somewhat - and the three games prior to the Sunday's pooper were doing just that.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:02 PM   #109 (permalink)
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God, I would love that. EXACTLY the type of player that we need IMO (attitude-wise).
you mean guys who have career years when they're about to sign a contract, followed by a d-league level performance the next season? The you must have loved turkoglu ...
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:05 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Any person that suggested a trade that for s starting C or PF or a trade that didn't include a SF needs to really have their goddamn head examined. Maybe getting our own pick back is not insanity...

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As much as I understand the sentiment behind wishing to trade Bargnani, now is certainly not the time. If he is to be traded, BC would have to hope that he picks up his game somehow enough to bring his value up somewhat - and the three games prior to the Sunday's pooper were doing just that.
The best time to trade him was in the offseason when the "magical" 13 games left people wondering if he was on the cusp of being an all star. That boat as sailed! When he actually plays,he's always gonna be hot and cold so trading him now will be the same as the deadline in my opinion. I think package AB to get a reliable starting SF. Promote Amir or Ed as PF and see how they play at that spot with a vow of confidence and longer leash.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:13 PM   #112 (permalink)
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OK, here is what I see happening, barring an injury, of course...

Andrea is actually giving a decent effort at both ends of the floor right now. Yes, last game his shots weren't falling, but he was working pretty hard on defence and rebounding, within his limitations. Soon enough, his shots will start falling again, and if his effort doesn't diminish, he will become a much more attractive trade bait. If BC is content with trading him, that would be a good time to explore the possibilities - but get ready for a lot of people who are asking for him to be moved to complain about how we could have obtained more in return.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:50 PM   #113 (permalink)
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And for the record, if I were Casey, I would have played Davis instead of Bargnani late in the fourth and especially in the overtime. On the other hand, I can easily see the reasoning behind "well, he is 1 for 15, this can't possibly continue, he is due to make some" kind of thinking.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:55 PM   #114 (permalink)
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can we not do barg for pau gasul straight up

ilyasova will be nice too
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:59 PM   #115 (permalink)
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The Los Angeles Lakers' November malaise reached a low point Friday night when coach Mike D'Antoni benched Pau Gasol for the entire fourth quarter in a loss at Memphis, and when asked afterward why he'd do such a thing -- choosing Antawn Jamison at the power forward instead -- he replied: "Well, I'd like to win the game. That's the reason." Before that game, D'Antoni and Kobe Bryant hinted at Gasol's sluggish play, suggesting he was out of shape and unable to keep pace on an up-tempo possession. Gasol countered that he's a low-post player at heart, not a jump shooter, and after the Memphis debacle, he said: "I can stretch the defense out with a couple of jumpers, but how I get going is by getting in the paint. Historically, that's how I've been successful and made a really good name for myself."

Trade winds blowing for Lakers' Pau Gasol
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I'd trade Bargnani for Gasol. There's no way they're going to fire Dantoni this year. If he continues to struggle with Nash back, I can see a trade happening. If Nash is out long-term, a Bargnani and Calderon for Gasol and Blake would work for both teams.
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:16 PM   #117 (permalink)
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The guys getting paid by the NBA to do full-time what we do for free part-time aren't going to be fooled by a Bargnani hot streak or cold streak.

He has his value and his reputation. Sustained play one way or the other can change that, but simply waiting for him to put 10 good games together won't change a whole lot. I just can't simply believe it's that easy to fool an NBA franchise.

That being said, I'm sure there are a few teams who would be willing to part with some decent players for him, regardles off how well he shot last game, or the last 10 games.
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No way in hell Colangelo does that. I'm sure he would rather let "Trade Bargnani" chants rain down from fans sitting in all sections of the ACC instead of pulling off that ridiculous of a trade. He'd make Bargnani a 6th man before pulling the trigger on that deal. No way it happens. He's not that dumb.
Bargnani is a plus (but not elite) offensive player, and a horrible defensive player. Okafor is a plus (but not elite) defensive player and a horrible offensive player. Okafor is a 14.5 mil expiring after this season, Bargnani has 2 years 23 mil after this season. I don't know, it sounds pretty fair to me. It's time to accept Bargnani doesn't have more of an impact on the game than Emeka Okafor. He just doesn't. Bargnani's best comparison is Al Harrington, a PF who spaces the floor and can chuck you 18-20ppg while playing horribad defense and rebounding. He makes you better but the needle doesn't move that much for what he's paid.

The difference between Bargs and Okafor in terms of positional/rotational defense would be significant because of how bad Bargs is, and because that's Okafor's biggest strength. While the trade looks bad for Washington right now they have made a jump defensively, from 21 last year to 9th this year (albeit in a small sample size). Hornets have gone from 15th defensively to 30th. It's made a difference defensively. We'd lose some offense and flash, but Okafor basically gives you almost literally the anti Bargnani - a defense/rebounding responsible player who plays the right way and is a good locker-room/leader influence + a guy who fits Dwane Casey like a glove

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Bargnani is a plus (but not elite) offensive player, and a horrible defensive player. Okafor is a plus (but not elite) defensive player and a horrible offensive player. Okafor is a 14.5 mil expiring after this season, Bargnani has 2 years 23 mil after this season. I don't know, it sounds pretty fair to me. It's time to accept Bargnani doesn't have more of an impact on the game than Emeka Okafor. He just doesn't. Bargnani's best comparison is Al Harrington, a PF who spaces the floor and can chuck you 18-20ppg while playing horribad defense and rebounding. He makes you better but the needle doesn't move that much for what he's paid.

The difference between Bargs and Okafor in terms of positional/rotational defense would be significant because of how bad Bargs is, and because that's Okafor's biggest strength. While the trade looks bad for Washington right now they have made a jump defensively, from 21 last year to 9th this year (albeit in a small sample size). Hornets have gone from 15th defensively to 30th. It's made a difference defensively. We'd lose some offense and flash, but Okafor basically gives you almost literally the anti Bargnani - a defense/rebounding responsible player who plays the right way and is a good locker-room/leader influence + a guy who fits Dwane Casey like a glove
9th best defense and 11-0? I think we should definitely go for Okafor. You've convinced me

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Old 11-26-2012, 05:50 PM   #120 (permalink)
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geez if only we can get a hold of jeremy lamb in some 3 - 4 team trade, dudes just wasting away in OKC.
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