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Old 11-25-2012, 06:47 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Oh. Thank goodness. Ha.

I'm still hoping and praying that there's some chance we could get Pau, Eric Gordon, Love or even Amare (yes, I know it's risky).

We need a serious gamechanger here.

I honestly think a deal with the Lakers would make the most sense for both teams.

I'd wager that Bargs could thrive with D12 drawing doubles and Nash feeding him the ball.... and Jose would be an ideal backup (and another reliable shooter) for them too.

Pau + Lowry + Jonas + DD + Fields (healthy) is a solid lineup in my book.
Pau would be good but he's battling tendinitis in his knees and as a former 2x NBA champion,I can't see him being motivated to play for this losing team.

Not getting Love or Amare either. The best chance would be to get Gordon but he doesn't fit this roster as it is now. Its too late to get equal or fair value for AB right. They'd have to make a trade that looks like they lost on paper but hope it will work. The reason is because,AB is an inconsistent one dimensional player who wouldn't start on any playoff team and come off the bench for a majority of the teams.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:54 PM   #42 (permalink)
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bargs had a linsanity moment.. i bet we could've traded Bargs straight up for Iggy last year.. i'd be more than happy to have davis+amir as our PF rotation.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:55 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Pau would be good but he's battling tendinitis in his knees and as a former 2x NBA champion,I can't see him being motivated to play for this losing team.

Not getting Love or Amare either. The best chance would be to get Gordon but he doesn't fit this roster as it is now. Its too late to get equal or fair value for AB right. They'd have to make a trade that looks like they lost on paper but hope it will work. The reason is because,AB is an inconsistent one dimensional player who wouldn't start on any playoff team and come off the bench for a majority of the teams.
True.... but I think that Pau could warm to the idea since he'd be a #1 option here and he'd be appreciated again (he's ALWAYS taking a whipping in LA). And he'd have DD and Lowry... 2 quality guards to work off of.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:11 PM   #44 (permalink)
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true^ +1 Pau would be respected
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Derick Williams is in the doghouse, too bad he's a tweener and not more of a 3. If we could get him and a decent depth player I'd say do it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:25 PM   #46 (permalink)
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i think all the possibilities wouldn't really put us in a better situation. we could maybe get someone like jeff green from boston, but he isn't exactly doing a whole lot anymore. we'd probably be looking at possible amnesty candidates (boozer) or non-moveable contracts (amare), both with maybe a prospect/pick.

i honestly believe we'd be better off managing Bargnani better than we would trading him. both the coach and gm (BC mostly) need to stop trying to justify an extended role and a starters position.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:26 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:28 PM   #48 (permalink)
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why are reporters asking Bargs about davis sitting. they better have asked casey.
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Derick Williams is in the doghouse, too bad he's a tweener and not more of a 3. If we could get him and a decent depth player I'd say do it.
Williams is definitely another guy I'd make a play for.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:57 PM   #50 (permalink)
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We're not trading for Pau Gasol, Rudy Gay or Josh Smith. I highly doubt we even get a trade for one of the Utah bigs. After that there's really nobody out there who's going to 100% improve our team besides the addition by subtraction. I'm fine with any first round pick and some scrubs at this point. Just don't take on a bad contract.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:58 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Trading him for Williams makes a lot of sense actually. 2 players who dont fit in their current situations and have low value, but could flourish(Williams anyway, not Bargs) if placed in a new situation. Minnesota loves white guys, and they basically have no bigmen outside of Cunningham to backup their starters, and Bargs would give them a nice boost off their bench and could come in with Shved and Barea to give MIN an explosive bench.

If Williams gets PT here he could be a very good player, but I still have no idea what position he'll ultimately become. But he'd be in a great situation here because wed have plenty of minutes for him to figure it out. Hes very talented, I just think it comes down to confidence and finding his game and he'll be a very valuable player. But he needs to get out of MIN asap to avoid his career going down the tubes.
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Trading him for Williams makes a lot of sense actually. 2 players who dont fit in their current situations and have low value, but could flourish(Williams anyway, not Bargs) if placed in a new situation. Minnesota loves white guys, and they basically have no bigmen outside of Cunningham to backup their starters, and Bargs would give them a nice boost off their bench and could come in with Shved and Barea to give MIN an explosive bench.

If Williams gets PT here he could be a very good player, but I still have no idea what position he'll ultimately become. But he'd be in a great situation here because wed have plenty of minutes for him to figure it out. Hes very talented, I just think it comes down to confidence and finding his game and he'll be a very valuable player. But he needs to get out of MIN asap to avoid his career going down the tubes.
Agreed, we do have a lot of bigs though, and I think Ed and if we did get williams, could contend for that starting 4 spot. amir in there too, but we would need a backup C, gray workout more.
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I'm on board for D.Williams. I think there's a better chance at forcing him to play 3 and him learning it in the Raps system than Bargnani learning how to/committing to rebound and play defense effectively.
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Bargs wouldn't be the Derrick Williams trade, Ross for Williams would be. Ross fits MIN like a glove with their need for shooting, 2 guard play and a Rubio/Shved combo in the backcourt (both of whom don't shoot well). Bargs doesn't have Derrick Williams level value anymore. Bargs is more like the guy you trade for Ben Gordon or Emeka Okafor or Wilson Chandler (other bad contracts).

BC doing Ross for Williams as a "throw stuff at the wall to make it stick" move to save his job makes a ton of sense to me, but it'd make even more sense if he did Bargs for Chandler/Okafor at the same time to open up the PF minutes for Williams and Davis

Lowry/Calderon
Derozan/Fields
Williams/Kleiza/AA
Davis/Okafor
Valanciunas/Amir/Gray

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Bargs wouldn't be the Derrick Williams trade, Ross for Williams would be. Ross fits MIN like a glove with their need for shooting, 2 guard play and a Rubio/Shved combo in the backcourt (both of whom don't shoot well). Bargs doesn't have Derrick Williams level value anymore. Bargs is more like the guy you trade for Ben Gordon or Emeka Okafor or Wilson Chandler (other bad contracts).

BC doing Ross for Williams as a "throw stuff at the wall to make it stick" move to save his job makes a ton of sense to me, but it'd make even more sense if he did Bargs for Chandler/Okafor at the same time to open up the PF minutes for Williams and Davis

Lowry/Calderon
Derozan/Fields
Williams/Kleiza/AA
Davis/Okafor
Valanciunas/Amir/Gray

If BC gonna do Ross for Williams after all the hype and the criticism of picking him at 8th, it will be a horrible move.
Williams is like Beasley, Jeff Green and other tweeners around the league.
Finding a true quality SF is nearly impossible. We better of converting DD to SF and give Ross a chance.
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I'm on board for D.Williams. I think there's a better chance at forcing him to play 3 and him learning it in the Raps system than Bargnani learning how to/committing to rebound and play defense effectively.
I thought he wants to play the 3 and they think he's more of a 4?
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so many teams struggle with the 3 position, its not even funny
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No way in hell Colangelo does that. I'm sure he would rather let "Trade Bargnani" chants rain down from fans sitting in all sections of the ACC instead of pulling off that ridiculous of a trade. He'd make Bargnani a 6th man before pulling the trigger on that deal. No way it happens. He's not that dumb.
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i'd rather us stay away from williams. he's your typical tweener that can't play either position effectively. there's very few prototypical 3s right now, so the likes of us finding that guy isn't going to happen without us giving up one of our main guys (demar, JV, lowry). it's either your a power three or your finesse three. we'd really need to decide on which one would best suit our roster. at the end of the day, we should all be hoping that ross could be that finesse guy.
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