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Old 03-27-2012, 12:00 PM   #21 (permalink)
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as much as i prefer the likes of johnson and davis to bargs, i think it would be better suited moving them opposed to bargs. from my understanding, having both jonas and davis would leave us with a very limited offensive game coming from our front court, we'd need to be able to mix it up since we don't have the necessary scoring coming from the wing and backcourt.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The team should consider all options if it wins the lottery, including trading Bargnani or swapping picks with another team to land an extra draft pick.

An ideal scenario would be the Raptors finishing with the #1 pick and New Orleans at #2. A potential deal could be:

Toronto receives #2 overall and Minnesota's 2012 first-round pick (which is unprotected).

New Orleans gets the #1 overall selection, one of Ed Davis/James Johnson/Linas Kleiza, and Indiana's 2nd-round pick.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:19 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The team should consider all options if it wins the lottery, including trading Bargnani or swapping picks with another team to land an extra draft pick.

An ideal scenario would be the Raptors finishing with the #1 pick and New Orleans at #2. A potential deal could be:

Toronto receives #2 overall and Minnesota's 2012 first-round pick (which is unprotected).

New Orleans gets the #1 overall selection, one of Ed Davis/James Johnson/Linas Kleiza, and Indiana's 2nd-round pick.
Seems like alot to give up with the consensus number one pick.... Ed and JJ were both mid-first rounders like the minny pick will be.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:37 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Seems like alot to give up with the consensus number one pick.... Ed and JJ were both mid-first rounders like the minny pick will be.
Minny's pick could be a top-10 selection, where the team could grab Rivers, Jones III, or Terrence Jones. IMO, these three players would contribute more to the team than Johnson, Davis, or Kleiza.

Granted, I would rather keep Johnson, who would be a great guy to have off the bench. Amir should be the guy to move, but I think with Davis' contract situation that he would be the player most likely to be traded.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:40 PM   #25 (permalink)
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There's nothing that leads me to belive Colangelo is not looking to win very quickly.

He got tricked by Reilly and gave him cap space for the Amigos, got tricked by Bosh who knew he was going to the Heat, missed the playoffs by a game and didn't even get to tank or trade that year, hasn't been back to the playoffs, had to plead for his job and live through 2 years in the tank. This for a guy who came in as the golden boy with a great rep.

Depending on moves, in one summer he should have a playoff team and not too long after even a contender. I think that's where we're headed. I think they keep Davis or whatever other 1st round pick but I think Bargs stays and they improve the roster with impact players, not even more youth and 2 more years "developing".
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Minny's pick could be a top-10 selection, where the team could grab Rivers, Jones III, or Terrence Jones. IMO, these three players would contribute more to the team than Johnson, Davis, or Kleiza.

Granted, I would rather keep Johnson, who would be a great guy to have off the bench. Amir should be the guy to move, but I think with Davis' contract situation that he would be the player most likely to be traded.
I think you're selling both JJ and Ed short in a deal that 'could' have a tenth overall pick..... right now it's #12, but I just don't see enough of a sweetener giving all the hype surrounding Anthony Davis.... if he's that much better than the field, why trade him for a lesser pick (even one spot) and a guy likely to be in the range of an Ed Davis or James Johnson while still giving up one of those guys and a second rounder?
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:50 PM   #27 (permalink)
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What's the point we're not getting that first pick.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:55 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I'm actually looking foward to watching Bargnani and JV playing together as well. Forget their origins, we've got a real center playing with Bargnani for the first time and I think that's where he'll be most succesful.

Whether or not we get Davis, one of either Ed or Amir should be traded/packaged.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:26 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I think you're selling both JJ and Ed short in a deal that 'could' have a tenth overall pick..... right now it's #12, but I just don't see enough of a sweetener giving all the hype surrounding Anthony Davis.... if he's that much better than the field, why trade him for a lesser pick (even one spot) and a guy likely to be in the range of an Ed Davis or James Johnson while still giving up one of those guys and a second rounder?
Davis isn't a generational talent. He's a very good talent, but he has huge bust potential, too, given that his offensive game is still very, very raw. He could be another Kevin Garnett or another Marcus Camby.

I think the Raptors would have to give up one or two other pieces in order to acquire Minnesota's first-round pick. I doubt NO would deal it and the #2 overall to draft Davis, as they could take Drummond (if he comes out) at #2 or someone like Sullinger, Zeller, etc. later in the lottery.

We all know that Ed Davis is redundant on the Raptors. While I like him a lot, I don't see him having a long-term future here with Bargnani and Amir signed long-term plus JV on his way. JJ and Kleiza can also play minutes at the 4 spot. As such, IMO, Davis is the most expendable player and probably has higher trade value than Amir and Kleiza given his age and contract.

BTW, if you've read my posts before on Davis, I wouldn't want to see the Raptors trade him for the sake of trading him. But if they can land another lottery pick for Davis, they should do it. I would rather have another SG or a young PG on the roster than to have a boatload of PFs.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:30 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Wasn't Drummond deemed the likely #1 pick in december or so?
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:46 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Minny's pick could be a top-10 selection, where the team could grab Rivers, Jones III, or Terrence Jones. IMO, these three players would contribute more to the team than Johnson, Davis, or Kleiza.

Granted, I would rather keep Johnson, who would be a great guy to have off the bench. Amir should be the guy to move, but I think with Davis' contract situation that he would be the player most likely to be traded.
I don't want Jones III or terrance jones, neither will be a great player in any way...

Also I agree with carp where were giving up way too much to drop down a spot, lose out on AD and still give someone up to get another pick which will be a late lottery pick more than likely. Sorry but I think taking AD and trading Bargs would net more.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:49 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Wasn't Drummond deemed the likely #1 pick in december or so?
that was based on his high school hype and before he played a single college game. he's simply not THAT good...
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:50 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I personally would rather have JV, Bargnani, and MKG as the frontcourt than JV, Davis, and Johnson. That's why I would rather deal the #1 overall pick, grab the #2 overall pick to take MKG, and then include Davis in the deal to net a perimeter player like Jones, Jones III, Rivers, Marshall, etc.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:03 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Keep or trade for 2-5 pick and draft HB
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:07 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I personally would rather have JV, Bargnani, and MKG as the frontcourt than JV, Davis, and Johnson. That's why I would rather deal the #1 overall pick, grab the #2 overall pick to take MKG, and then include Davis in the deal to net a perimeter player like Jones, Jones III, Rivers, Marshall, etc.
Johnson has played really well this year on both sides of the ball, I don't see how MKG is that much of an improvement (barring JJ continues this play throughout next year and future years of course) If were gonna trade down I'd rather get real value and grab Beal or something like that.

Besides, I'd take a defensive stopper like AD any day, Barg's heaving 30 shots a game to get 20-25 points is not doing anything for this team.
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I would draft Anthony Davis. I will entertain offers for Bargnani. Try to acquire a high pick and a good young player in return. If it can't be done, move Anthony Davis for Rondo, if possible. Try to clear as much cap as possible and sign some other players as well.
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:13 PM   #37 (permalink)
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He could be another Kevin Garnett or another Marcus Camby.
ABSOLUTELY he is not anywhere close to these two. I have no idea what you guys are watching.
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ABSOLUTELY he is not anywhere close to these two. I have no idea what you guys are watching.
meaning he's worse?
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:24 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Johnson has played really well this year on both sides of the ball, I don't see how MKG is that much of an improvement (barring JJ continues this play throughout next year and future years of course) If were gonna trade down I'd rather get real value and grab Beal or something like that.

Besides, I'd take a defensive stopper like AD any day, Barg's heaving 30 shots a game to get 20-25 points is not doing anything for this team.
MKG's offensive potential is much, much, much higher than Johnson's and it isn't even close. MKG has better handles, has a more consistent outside shot, and is more fluid with the ball. There's no comparison between MKG and JJ.

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ABSOLUTELY he is not anywhere close to these two. I have no idea what you guys are watching.
Davis could develop into a Garnett-type player over time. Garnett, when he first entered the league, was still very raw much like Davis. He was a skinny, tall kid that could jump, rebound, and hit a jump shot but his low-post game was lacking. Over time, Garnett developed into an all-around, HOF player.

Or Davis could be another Camby - tall, lanky forward that rebounds and blocks shots but has a very limited offensive game. I don't think this will be the case with Davis, as he has a great skill set, but his offensive game is still quite raw. That's not surprising since he was a guard for most of his HS career and only started playing forward after he had a massive growth spurt. Davis still needs to develop his low-post game and his mid-range shot. As such, he could become another KG or another Camby.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:28 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Toby, as a Blazers fan would you do this trade?

Batum / second round pick

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Bargnani

Bargs and LMA could make a formidable in/out frontcourt IMO and we (the Raptors) get the guy we covet.
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