If Toronto acquires K.Lowry,what do they do with J.Calderon?

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View Poll Results: What should the Raptors do with Calderon if another starting Point Guard is obtained?
Trade Jose before training camp 34 52.31%
Bring him off the bench during the season,then trade his expiring contract near the deadline 19 29.23%
Amnesty his contract 3 4.62%
Keep him as the starter,then draft a point guard that can be groomed behind him 2 3.08%
Let him and the other point guard (Nash,Lowry,etc..) compete for the starting job 7 10.77%
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The inevitable would be a starting Point Guard controversy. So in my opinion the Raptors would have to remove Jose Calderon from their roster before training camp starts if they were to trade for Kyle Lowry or sign a PG in free agency.

In the past we've seen Jose complain to the Spanish media (and Canadian to some degree) about wanting to be the starter when he had to battle T.J. Ford and Jarrett Jack. If Jose isn't moved,I don't see him taking a back seat to Lowry,Nash or anyone especially considering he's only 30 and the longest tenured Raptor.

What's your solution to this potential problem?
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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um, simple
you keep him until someone wants him and gives us something back
worst case, he expires next season and the problem is solved
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Major IF, because i don't think we're getting him. They're so set on spending 10Mil on Nash and blow their wad.

But IF we did get him i would have to think Jose would be dealt in a package to obtain a SF. And if you can't get what you want there i would amnesty him and go hard after Batum.
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Major IF, because i don't think we're getting him. They're so set on spending 10Mil on Nash and blow their wad.

But IF we did get him i would have to think Jose would be dealt in a package to obtain a SF. And if you can't get what you want there i would amnesty him and go hard after Batum.
ding ding ding, winner winner, chicken dinner.

I'd like to see Deng instead of Batum though.
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Amnesty him giving us 21Mil to sign Batum + Gordon

Lowry
Gordon
Batum
Bargnani
Valanciunas




Then trade Derozan, Davis, Kleiza for solid bench depth.
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Assuming they get Nash, Calderon gets traded without a doubt.
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Unfortunately, this is about Lowry.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
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um, simple
you keep him until someone wants him and gives us something back
worst case, he expires next season and the problem is solved

A great deduction Milk. Everyone is down on Jose , so likely wouldn't attract much in trade. Maybe team that deperately needs help at point will dangle some bait such as future draft pick...

Enjoy his last year in Toronto

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you can't just trade jose, he would be gone if that was the case
he's an ok player, but has a high salary

it will be easier to do it at the deadline, I just don't think there's a lot of interest right now
especially considering that Jose may just leave after next year, so whoever looks at him as long term plan, would have to get an agreement from Jose that he'll stay there.
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Amnesty him giving us 21Mil to sign Batum + Gordon

Lowry
Gordon
Batum
Bargnani
Valanciunas




Then trade Derozan, Davis, Kleiza for solid bench depth.
The thing that worries me about a Lowry/Gordon back court is that they'd be a bit undersized as a duo,defensively. However as much as i like DeRozan I have to say this line up that is presented would be an instant playoff one.

I think Toronto should bring in a starting Center to relieve some pressure off Valanciunas because he may be expected to do too much. Oh yeah someone a bit more serviceable then Gray lol (like when the Raps had Rasho)
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I think alot of teams could really use Calderon.

Portland (as a starter)
LA Lakers (as a starter)
Memphis (off the bench)
Oklahoma City (starter or bench depending on intentions with Russ West)
Chicago (yes them,he's a better back up then C.J. Watson and Rose isn't returning anytime soon)

Because of Jose's expensive salary for the year,it would likely take a three team deal to trade him before training camp. I say do it now before something like an injury happens during the season and then your stuck with him and get nothing in return.
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Unfortunately, this is about Lowry.
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If Toronto gets lowry you trade or amnesty Calderon and use the space to sign a good back up centre like kaman or a wing player. If we end up getting Nash, then you flip Lowry and derozan for Evans. Will have: Nash Evans 16th pick (tjones, harkless, or Ross), bargs, Valancunas. And another 15 million to spend on ufas after amnestying Calderon: kaman, barbosa, a wing player perhaps a Matt Barnes or kirilenko worst case scenario). This would give us depth at every single position. Nash/Bayless, Evans/barbosa, Barnes/16th/jj/kleiza/, bargs/Ed/aj, Val/kaman.
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Major IF, because i don't think we're getting him. They're so set on spending 10Mil on Nash and blow their wad.

But IF we did get him i would have to think Jose would be dealt in a package to obtain a SF. And if you can't get what you want there i would amnesty him and go hard after Batum.
Who said that? You don't amnesty an expiring. JC may not trade for a player but you don't burn a potential cap saver - still an asset

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ding ding ding, winner winner, chicken dinner.

I'd like to see Deng instead of Batum though.
Deng....fk Deng and his injuries. He'll probably go come here though. Bulls need JC now more than we do according to the media.

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you can't just trade jose, he would be gone if that was the case
he's an ok player, but has a high salary


it will be easier to do it at the deadline, I just don't think there's a lot of interest right now
especially considering that Jose may just leave after next year, so whoever looks at him as long term plan, would have to get an agreement from Jose that he'll stay there.
Of course you can...you've made the assumption that the Raps have actually tried though.

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If Toronto gets lowry you trade or amnesty Calderon and use the space to sign a good back up centre like kaman or a wing player. If we end up getting Nash, then you flip Lowry and derozan for Evans. Will have: Nash Evans 16th pick (tjones, harkless, or Ross), bargs, Valancunas. And another 15 million to spend on ufas after amnestying Calderon: kaman, barbosa, a wing player perhaps a Matt Barnes or kirilenko worst case scenario). This would give us depth at every single position. Nash/Bayless, Evans/barbosa, Barnes/16th/jj/kleiza/, bargs/Ed/aj, Val/kaman.
Kirilenko as a worst case? I would take him over a lot though a FA would want to come here and Ak has hinted he would resign in Russia before coming to a team he doesn't want to. If you get Lowry then Nash you don't flip Lowry for Evans...crazy talk. The team's biggest hole and need is SF then pg and that line-up has only addressed pg but for only 2 or 3 years

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If you draft Waiters, and don't get Nash or Lowry what do you do for a SF? The only real SF I'd want in FA is Batum. Do you go after Dragic, then trade Jose +?? For a SF?
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If you draft Waiters, and don't get Nash or Lowry what do you do for a SF? The only real SF I'd want in FA. Do you go after Dragic, then trade Jose +?? For a SF?
ew to those choices except going after a trade for an SF cause thats the only way this team is going to get a proven one.
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"Kirilenko as a worst case I would take him over a lot though a FA would want to come here and Ak has hinted he would resign in Russia before coming to a team he doesn't want to. If you get Lowry then Nash you don't flip Lowry for Evans...crazy talk. The team's biggest hole and need is SF and that lin-up hasn't addressed that."

I'm implying worst case scenario we would get Kirlenko as he will fit nicely with the cap space we have available. I'd rather go with Barnes though, he played really well with Nash during his time with the Suns. He will come a lot cheaper and allow us to go after a centre as well someone like Kaman to help transition Valancunas to the NBA and provide more depth at that position. We're not going anywhere with DeRozan as our starting SG. I'd rather upgrade my SG postion and get someone like Evans who will definitely do a lot more than DeRozan. The need for a wing player wouldn't be as pressing: We would have three scorers in Evans, Bargnani, and Nash. Will have Matt Barnes (some decent defence at 3), A 16th pick (SF), James Johnson, and Kleiza. If we could package that depth for a better wing player by all means go for it depending on if that right player is available, but I would rather keep depth at that position especially with the tax implications after resigning Evans long-term.
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"Kirilenko as a worst case I would take him over a lot though a FA would want to come here and Ak has hinted he would resign in Russia before coming to a team he doesn't want to. If you get Lowry then Nash you don't flip Lowry for Evans...crazy talk. The team's biggest hole and need is SF and that lin-up hasn't addressed that."

I'm implying worst case scenario we would get Kirlenko as he will fit nicely with the cap space we have available. I'd rather go with Barnes though, he played really well with Nash during his time with the Suns. He will come a lot cheaper and allow us to go after a centre as well someone like Kaman to help transition Valancunas to the NBA and provide more depth at that position. We're not going anywhere with DeRozan as our starting SG. I'd rather upgrade my SG postion and get someone like Evans who will definitely do a lot more than DeRozan. The need for a wing player wouldn't be as pressing: We would have three scorers in Evans, Bargnani, and Nash. Will have Matt Barnes (some decent defence at 3), A 16th pick (SF), James Johnson, and Kleiza. If we could package that depth for a better wing player by all means go for it depending on if that right player is available, but I would rather keep depth at that position especially with the tax implications after resigning Evans long-term.
I understand the reasoning though there are a lot of what ifs and maybes and to me players I would never go after. Thats all
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If you draft Waiters, and don't get Nash or Lowry what do you do for a SF? The only real SF I'd want in FA is Batum. Do you go after Dragic, then trade Jose +?? For a SF?
Trade Jose and DeRozan for Danny Granger... but that's just wishful thinking. In a perfect world I hope BC tries to make a serious run for Granger, trade anybody to make it happen.
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