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Old 12-08-2012, 05:38 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I might get flamed for this... but I'm thinking this might be an ultimate plan for the Raptors orchestrated by upper management, and even above Colangelo.

Goal is to get top pick in 2014 to draft Andrew Wiggins.

Stink up 2012-2013, but do enough to lose the pick to OKC, thus not getting any additional talent on the team.

2013-2014 - team is status quo, minus calderon, stock the cap space and essentially tank.

2014 draft - With the first pick overall, the Toronto Raptors select... Andrew Wiggins, Vaughan, Ontario, Canada


I can dream, right?
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:49 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I might get flamed for this... but I'm thinking this might be an ultimate plan for the Raptors orchestrated by upper management, and even above Colangelo.

Goal is to get top pick in 2014 to draft Andrew Wiggins.

Stink up 2012-2013, but do enough to lose the pick to OKC, thus not getting any additional talent on the team.

2013-2014 - team is status quo, minus calderon, stock the cap space and essentially tank.

2014 draft - With the first pick overall, the Toronto Raptors select... Andrew Wiggins, Vaughan, Ontario, Canada


I can dream, right?
Pinning your hopes on wiggins is foolish.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:52 PM   #43 (permalink)
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This will be the 5th straight season without playoffs, if anyone thinks we're going to completely blow this whole team up again while we're essentially still one of the youngest teams in the league, just two years into a current rebuild you're crazy. Not gonna happen, especially not after giving away a likely top 5-6 pick for Lowry. They'll retool while getting rid of our worst contracts (other than Fields imo) and try to add to a core of 6-7 players and try to convince Lowry to extend here.
Are you for real?

We're absolutely going to blow it up because that's the only reasonable choice at this point. It's a shame BC didn't realize this in Bosh's last year and instead tried to spin the idea of Andrea or DeMar being the franchise player when they're at best, the 5th player on a championship team. Because of that we've been "retooling" and "rebuilding", giving overpriced contracts to mediocre players that we were bidding against ourselves on. We have to take a page from the Cavs, the Wiz, the 'Cats, the Hornets, the Rockets, and start BUILDING a team up the right way; not rebuilding because that implies we have one or two top tier talents to already build around, and no, potential doesn't count. Shed salary, drop players who don't play D and don't hustle, get picks and young players, be generally shitty for a few seasons and draft well so that a new core of talent can emerge which we can then augment through trades and free agency. In a league with a cap (luxury tax is essentially a cap at the high levels) and where talent is so pyramidal, there are simply not enough elite level players to go around, so you have to take the chance of developing them yourself.

The bolded part you wrote is just mind-bogglingly contradictory. We're in cap hell with no pick and many of our contracts are shit and the players who have them are even shittier. At least when someone is good and overpaid you know you're getting someone good, so who would want our dregs? And even more dumbfounding is that you think they can simultaneously get rid of all of our bad contracts while getting SIX TO SEVEN(!?!) new players who would form the core of our new starting line-up and bench? Jeff, you've hit the nut low of obliviousness; what you're suggesting IS a full, no holds barred, bottom-of-the-barrel for a few years 'rebuild', as you all enjoy putting it.

The only difference is that I realize that there's no way of salvaging it in time to retain Lowry by way of re-signing, so it's going to be in our best interest to trade him, probably during this offseason, in order to get a good return (like maybe our pick back, another team's pick, or a very good young prospect on a rookie deal/high-grade semi-young roleplayer on a reasonable long-term contract). Mark my words, if Lowry walks and we receive no compensation for him, that will be end of me being a Raptors fan. I won't go through a 4-16 start, and what will likely be one of the worst seasons in franchise history, for nothing. I sincerely hope none of you will either.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:10 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Are you for real?

We're absolutely going to blow it up because that's the only reasonable choice at this point.
Depends what you mean by blow it up?

I said they'll get rid of all their shitty contracts and add other pieces through trading those said players, possible a pick or two but no way is this team going to be completely gutted. We are still going to see almost half this team remain imo (6-7). We're essentially in the middle of a rebuild as we speak and one of the youngest teams in the league. You want to blow up the rebuild and.....rebuild? Not going to happen as much as you'd like them to for whatever reason.


Yes i am for real........i guess we'll see who's right over the next 8 months. But No way are they gutting our high priced players, not geting anything for them and going another 4yrs of not making the playoffs. No way this organization has the stomach for that.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:37 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Pinning your hopes on wiggins is foolish.
might be extreme, but don't think that wouldn't be huge for Toronto.
Not only because the kid is from Vaughan, but the dude has talent and the genetics to go with it.
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Not only because the kid is from Vaughan, but the dude has talent and the genetics to go with it.


Well then, from Vaughn.....giddy up.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:50 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Well then, from Vaughn.....giddy up.
must mean he's the new lebron, right? right?

there are so many different things that go against us getting a chance to draft him, and even if we do end up able to draft him, he could very well bust. many number on epicks have busted over the years yet people fail to see that.

and this is all in the hypothetical world that he indeed does light it up and becomes a consensus number 1 pick.....
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:51 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Well, this has been quite the exercise. Naturally everyone is pulling in diferent directions. and we're grasping, so I'll grasp too.

Opinion:

-Lowry didn't seem overly enthused coming here. This experience has had to be scarring. I'm seeing him gone. If you need to, think of Jason Kid's and Steve Nash's ages right around the time he expires.

-Decent free agents aren't coming here

-As we sit here, what are the chances of getting Wiggins all things considered? 10%?

I think 3 directions to go..........


1. Stay on the 6th to 10th place treadmill with bandaids.


2. Save Colangelo's job. Not that these kind of deals are available all over the league, but you create a winner by bundling assets for a big 3 light, Celtics style.

e.g.

part 1: Lowry, Kleiza for stud player 1, longer contract under control
part 2: Bargnani, Calderon for stud player 2, contract under control
part 3 Derozan, Amir, Fields, for stud player 3 contract under control

-about 50 million dollars in contracts going out for 3 players that take over games, get calls and play winning basketball. (It probably becomes easier to do if you actually think you can keep Lowry as he can play near all-star level). Bonafide stars coming in or don't bother. The rest, youth you are developing and strong role players from trades and free agency.

X/FA or trade
X/Ross/Anderson
X/Pietrus/Anderson
Ed/FA or trade
JV/FA or trade

3. New GM guts this thing for picks and re-builds properly over a good 3 years.
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