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Apollo 06-03-2009 12:23 AM

If Curry is on the board at #9...
 
The Clippers are a lock to take Griffin, Thabeet and Rubio will go #2 and 3. The next tier looks like Harden and Hill. Beyond those two you have the group of Evans, Holiday, DeRozen, Clark, Curry and Jennings. Three out of four teams, 6-9, are rumored to be interested in a PG. DeRozen is saying he's probably not going to give the Raptors a workout because he believes he won't be there at #9...Is a team telling him something maybe? The Wolves are said to be very impressed with Evans. The Knicks, who were rumored to be taking Curry, are now rumored to be far more interested in Jrew Holiday than Curry. So, 6-8 sounds as though Evans, DeRozen and Holiday will probably be selected. There is now great potential for Curry to be on the board at #9. Now, take the following into consideration:

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Don't be surprised if the Portland Trail Blazers trade into the lottery, looking to acquire Davidson's Stephen Curry.

The way I hear it, the Blazers (currently picking 24th) are nosing around to trade up and have Curry in their sights. Enough teams are willing to deal down that this is a real possibility. And it would be great for Curry in this regard:

A long-time NBA scout told me months ago that the ideal situation for Curry is to play point guard on a team with a shooting guard who can also handle the ball. That would allow Curry to spot up some, and maximize the impact of his shooting.
Charlotte Observer

If Curry is there at #9, should the Raptors then try to trade the pick to the Blazers along with a bad contract(KAPONO!!!) for a couple young players? Guys that come to mind are Rudy Fernandez, Travis Outlaw and Martel Webster. What do you think?

its_asdf 06-03-2009 12:31 AM

I don't think they'd want to trade quality role players for one who can't even dribble the ball properly... The Raptors would need to a lot more to even land Outlaw. Fernandez is next to impossible to acquire since the Blazers are really high on the guy. Webster is seemingly the odd man out... I like him, but his game is pretty limited at this point (a jumpshooting small foward isn't exactly what we need at the moment)

Acie 06-03-2009 12:35 AM

I think it's a tad unrealistic to expect Portland to give up thier pick and a good young player for Curry and a one trick pony (who barely can do his trick anymore) with a bad contract.

Apollo 06-03-2009 12:36 AM

Webster would have entered last season the starter had he not be injured.

10gizzle 06-03-2009 12:38 AM

I think the Thunder are taking Harden.

They like Westbrook way too much...Kings take Rubio.

After that it seems Hill, Evans and Jennings are near locks to go 5-7.

That leaves 2 of Curry, Jrue and Demar left at our pick.

I think Demar is a great fucking option if he's around, he can really grow into that all around swingman we need. Plus he seems to be committed to playing D which is always good.

Ideally, if we can get Derozan and trade for Dejuan Blair that would be the ideal situation in my eyes.

RAPMAN 06-03-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle (Post 189166)
I think Demar is a great fucking option if he's around, he can really grow into that all around swingman we need. Plus he seems to be committed to playing D which is always good.

Ideally, if we can get Derozan and trade for Dejuan Blair that would be the ideal situation in my eyes.

From the Chad Ford chat yesterday, Demar Derozan scored the third highest in vertical leap at the draft combine at 38.5 inches. However, Demar Derozan scored very poorly at speed & agility (lateral quickness). The guy had a mid randge game, but he can't dribble, and the poor scores in speed & lateral quickness questions his ability to become a quality defender.

Derozan was bottom five in agility:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...=&pos=&sort=13

He was in the bottom 14 of all the draft particapants in the sprint. Guys like Jordan Hill and Tyler Hansborough beat him in the sprint. Poor results for a guy many fans want as the future Raptor wingplayer :

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...=&pos=&sort=14

This guy may become the next Joey Graham.

Superjudge 06-03-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle (Post 189166)
I think the Thunder are taking Harden.

They like Westbrook way too much...Kings take Rubio.

After that it seems Hill, Evans and Jennings are near locks to go 5-7.

That leaves 2 of Curry, Jrue and Demar left at our pick.

I think Demar is a great fucking option if he's around, he can really grow into that all around swingman we need. Plus he seems to be committed to playing D which is always good.

Ideally, if we can get Derozan and trade for Dejuan Blair that would be the ideal situation in my eyes.


Nice.

zachus 06-03-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle (Post 189166)
I think Demar is a great fucking option if he's around, he can really grow into that all around swingman we need. Plus he seems to be committed to playing D which is always good..

The knock on Derozan has been his ability and willingness to defend, unless his outlook has suddenly changed.

INSIDER 06-03-2009 10:59 AM

LOL... who was i fighting with a week ago about how derozan is going to be the next Graham?

the kid can jump high... ok.
but he isnt as much of a athletic freak as he gives off, and to come in the bottom in agility? thats pretty bad.
Tyler Hanborough beat him in the sprint?
i truely think this kid is all hype... im not impressed.

VanCity 06-03-2009 11:09 AM

Lets Draft Curry:yeah:

Superjudge 06-03-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPMAN (Post 189190)
The guy had a mid randge game, but he can't dribble, and the poor scores in speed & lateral quickness questions his ability to become a quality defender.

I don't disagree with you totally RAPMAN, I like agility. However, I can use a bit of a comparison. I knew a guy when I played that had very average agility laterally. He had great leaps for a 2 guard which really made him dangerous as a rebounder offside and offensively, and he made up with it with smarts. This guy eneded up being one of the most effective +/- guys on his team, even though he would get owned one on one here and there.

Here's the kicker, he was also a 3 point threat, but not a specialist by any means. His real game was the mid range, 10-17 foot out. Because of this, he was very difficult to handle because although he wasn't gonna knock down 3's all night long, he would burn you when you didn't need it so you had to respect it, if you didn't, you might be ok, but he wasn't horrible, he was average, so he could potentially hit three straight and win a game in the 3rd on you. Now, his mid range, which nobody really seemed to care about, was what really killed teams because you absolutely had to help on defence. He might not have been the quickest, but he was a player, he knew how to get a step on guys and did, and when he did his ablity to hit the mid range shot, which is an absolutely LOST ART in todays game, killed teams. High percentage J's, which opened up easy littel dump ins to his bigs when help came.

Basically, a lot like Derozans game.

Although I like what RAPMAN is saying, I defineately like fast guys, there are many super fast athletic guys that don't amount to shite in the NBA, and plenty of very slow, yet amazing swing guys who absolutely kill guys with thier ability to hit the mid range and find guys when help comes.

For me, tjhis is exactly what makes Derozan such a tough call, I want to believe he can be this guy I am describing, but what if he isn't, what if all he ends up being....is slow. Then agaion, what if Curry just ends up being....short. and Blair just ends up being.....fat. And so on and so forth.

Ain't the Draft grand??????

GrannyFro 06-03-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDER (Post 189197)
LOL... who was i fighting with a week ago about how derozan is going to be the next Graham?

the kid can jump high... ok.
but he isnt as much of a athletic freak as he gives off, and to come in the bottom in agility? thats pretty bad.
Tyler Hanborough beat him in the sprint?
i truely think this kid is all hype... im not impressed.

it was probably me arguing with you and i'll still stick with my prediction. derozan is no joke. he's not joey graham, he's a fluid athlete, well coordinated and at 19 will most like continue to grow into his body. quickness can be improved and i don't question that he'll be a good defender (or at least more capable then anyone on this roster). I expect derozan as a 20 year old rookie to eclispe joey's best season which isn't saying much

the fact that he didn't score well in some of the combine stuff could be a positive because it could mean he falls to the raps. some of the stuff can be misleading in these test, for example in 05, luck jackson's vertical among many was tested higher then andre igoudala yet there is no way that is possible. you remember luke jackson? yeah that guy
Hansbrough did sprint faster then him. but i don't doubt for one second that derozan could turn a corner faster then hanbrough regardless of the combine test or sprint faster down the court with a basketball and leap at top speed off of one foot which i know hansrough can't do .

i guess we'l find out soon enough if he's a joey graham or a andre igoudala, but myself, i will continue to pray to jesus, allah, and mohhamed that derozan falls to and is selected by the toronto raptors

INSIDER 06-03-2009 12:23 PM

oh yes, grannyfro, i believe we did debate this.
usually test results are pretty accurate... if a guy jumps high in his combine - odds are he can jump high in a game. same goes for sprinting and agility tests.
who knows, maybe it was an off day for derozan... maybe he wasnt taking it seriously... we'll never know.
fact is, i've never really been high on the kid. the one thing he had going for him was his freakish athleticism, but if thats not up to par, then i dont want us to even look in his direction.

RAPMAN 06-03-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GrannyFro (Post 189219)
Hansbrough did sprint faster then him. but i don't doubt for one second that derozan could turn a corner faster then hanbrough regardless of the combine test or sprint faster down the court with a basketball and leap at top speed off of one foot which i know hansrough can't do .

i guess we'l find out soon enough if he's a joey graham or a andre igoudala, but myself, i will continue to pray to jesus, allah, and mohhamed that derozan falls to and is selected by the toronto raptors

We all know Hansbrough is 100% hustle. Derozan's Agent did mention last week that his player will not be available @ the ninth pick and will not schedule a workout with the Raptors. Maybe they have a promise with another team picked below the Raptors. As you said, Derozan is more agile, faster, and jumps higher than Hansborough. Maybe he went through the motions during the draft combine. When so much is at stake, when guaranteed millions are given depending where you land on the draft, and you have Derozan going through the motions, what can you expect when you give this guy a contract. You have to question his effort or work ethic.

So here are other weakness of Derozan in Draftexpress:

-Lacks significant offensive polish
- Offensive creativity
- Ability to create own shot
- Advanced ball-handling skills
- Defensive awareness

Sounds alot like Joey Graham.

INSIDER 06-03-2009 01:05 PM

this is where we can speculate.
exactly what Rapman said, was he just going through the motions?
if thats the case i want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this kid.
if a player comes to the combine with such a nonchalant attitude and expects to just fly through easily, he's got issues.
the last thing we need is a player who thinks he can get by on athletics alone and not really give any effort to try.
i hope for his sake he's been promised something because if not, he's in for a HUGE drop on draft day.
i will be very interested to see how his workouts go.

MangoKidHoops 06-03-2009 01:11 PM

Okay, so why people would want to draft a guy who doesn't even want to grant us a workout (DeRozan) is beyond me. If the Blazers want Curry so badly, I think the price would have to be Bayless and the #24 pick.

INSIDER 06-03-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops (Post 189256)
Okay, so why people would want to draft a guy who doesn't even want to grant us a workout (DeRozan) is beyond me. If the Blazers want Curry so badly, I think the price would have to be Bayless and the #24 pick.

preach on Hoops!
derozan is so far off my radar now its not even funny.

and that blazers swap would be f'in magic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dancing:

RAPMAN 06-03-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops (Post 189256)
Okay, so why people would want to draft a guy who doesn't even want to grant us a workout (DeRozan) is beyond me. If the Blazers want Curry so badly, I think the price would have to be Bayless and the #24 pick.

If Tyreke Evans is gone, I would do a Bayless & Nicolas Batum trade. Use the 3 million for the draft pick of Gerald Henderson. Now we have 3 young building blocks (point guard, shooting guard, and small forward) to build around Bosh.

MangoKidHoops 06-03-2009 01:23 PM

And Blazers fans have been on board saying they would deal Bayless and the #24 pick for the #9 pick.

With the #24 pick, if we can deal up and draft Clark (who seems to be slipping) - that would be nice. We would come out of the draft with our 2-guard of the future in Bayless and our swingman of the future in Clark.

zachus 06-03-2009 01:23 PM

Bayless, Batum, and Evans as building blocks? Say hello to last place.


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