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Old 06-03-2009, 12:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If Tyreke Evans is gone, I would do a Bayless & Nicolas Batum trade. Use the 3 million for the draft pick of Gerald Henderson. Now we have 3 young building blocks (point guard, shooting guard, and small forward) to build around Bosh.
I'd friggin love to have Batum, but I don't think the Blazers would be keen on giving him up.

Use 3 mil to acquire the draft rights to Henderson? Henderson's probably gonna go in the lotto. I don't know too many teams willing to sell off lotto picks..
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this is where we can speculate.
exactly what Rapman said, was he just going through the motions?
if thats the case i want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this kid.
if a player comes to the combine with such a nonchalant attitude and expects to just fly through easily, he's got issues.
the last thing we need is a player who thinks he can get by on athletics alone and not really give any effort to try.
i hope for his sake he's been promised something because if not, he's in for a HUGE drop on draft day.
i will be very interested to see how his workouts go.
its can be very deceiving. derozans agility/ sprint times are not far from what brandon roy scored or even chris paul for that matter. montey ellis one of the quickest players in the league tested horrible

and yet a guy like jason kapono beats many in the agilty test with 11.04

maybe he is a lazy cunt but in draft interviews he's saying all the right things. talking about defence, knows his role and using his skills to stop people in the nba. watch a kid like evans, he's talking about scoring, making plays, ball in my hand ect..

derozan has the jumper(in progress but there), isn't selfish, and can finish with the best of them. If he's preaching defence which is rare for a young athlete, maybe he can learn it. i will be pissed if the raps pass, subpar sprint test is our oportunity. even if he's not the fastest sprinter, very few can finish while sprinting, he's one of them
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By the way, I don't know if Curry is gonna be there at 9. Apparently, he's one of the hot names in the draft and rumour has is that he's getting a long look from Minnesota at 6.
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Bayless, Batum, and Evans as building blocks? Say hello to last place.
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its can be very deceiving. derozans agility/ sprint times are not far from what brandon roy scored or even chris paul for that matter. montey ellis one of the quickest players in the league tested horrible

and yet a guy like jason kapono beats many in the agilty test with 11.04

maybe he is a lazy cunt but in draft interviews he's saying all the right things. talking about defence, knows his role and using his skills to stop people in the nba. watch a kid like evans, he's talking about scoring, making plays, ball in my hand ect..

derozan has the jumper(in progress but there), isn't selfish, and can finish with the best of them. If he's preaching defence which is rare for a young athlete, maybe he can learn it. i will be pissed if the raps pass, subpar sprint test is our oportunity. even if he's not the fastest sprinter, very few can finish while sprinting, he's one of them

If he doesn't want to give Toronto a workout, doesn't that speak volumes? Why draft a guy who doesn't want to play here? Makes no sense, because you can't count on him being a building block - you know first oppourtunity he has to be a UFA and he's gone.
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Bayless, Batum, and Evans as building blocks? Say hello to last place.
If you get Bayless and Batum, there's no way to get Evans (unless we're dealing Bosh to a team in the lotto that draft before us)
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And Blazers fans have been on board saying they would deal Bayless and the #24 pick for the #9 pick.

With the #24 pick, if we can deal up and draft Clark (who seems to be slipping) - that would be nice. We would come out of the draft with our 2-guard of the future in Bayless and our swingman of the future in Clark.
it looks like the Blazers like Beaubois
they worked him out twice and they have the second pick in round two as well
If they want Curry I'd be willing to take Beaubois and Bayless for Curry
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If he doesn't want to give Toronto a workout, doesn't that speak volumes? Why draft a guy who doesn't want to play here? Makes no sense, because you can't count on him being a building block - you know first oppourtunity he has to be a UFA and he's gone.
this is possible, but you have to look further into that matter. is derozan giving any other teams behind toronto's pick a workout?

if so then i guess its fuc derozan then
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Everyone's banking that Beaubois becomes the next Rondo, but there's something they didn't factor in - a lot of Rondo's development and maturity came from the fact that he plays with 3 future HOFs. Beaubois is not gonna have that luxury if he comes here.
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maybe he is a lazy cunt but in draft interviews he's saying all the right things. talking about defence, knows his role and using his skills to stop people in the nba. watch a kid like evans, he's talking about scoring, making plays, ball in my hand ect..
Derozan saying the right things, he would make a good role player. However, Evans saying he is a playmaker, just what the Raptors don't have and what they deperately need. We need playmakers, not a another role player.
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I am telling you right now, if Evans is on the board @ 9, we have to take this kid.
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Derozan saying the right things, he would make a good role player. However, Evans saying he is a playmaker, just what the Raptors don't have and what they deperately need. We need playmakers, not a another role player.
derozan certainly has the stuff to be more then a role player, he just knows his role as a rookie. but hey, i certainly won't complain about getting evans. him and derozan are my top 2 choices
i do think we desperatly need someone wo can defend the wing first and foremost before a playmaker. offense isn't the team biggest problem though a playmaking wing wouldn't hurt specially in late game scenarios

such a shame, igoudala would be tailor made for what this team needs. a guy who runs the floor with the best, who plays defence, who can create/pass, and who isn't selfish
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From the Chad Ford chat yesterday, Demar Derozan scored the third highest in vertical leap at the draft combine at 38.5 inches. However, Demar Derozan scored very poorly at speed & agility (lateral quickness). The guy had a mid randge game, but he can't dribble, and the poor scores in speed & lateral quickness questions his ability to become a quality defender.

Derozan was bottom five in agility:

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He was in the bottom 14 of all the draft particapants in the sprint. Guys like Jordan Hill and Tyler Hansborough beat him in the sprint. Poor results for a guy many fans want as the future Raptor wingplayer :

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This guy may become the next Joey Graham.
I'd just like to point out that the measuring tape doesn't always do players justice. For example, LaMarcus Aldridge scored worse than most of the 2006 draft class at bench pressing...That included all those PG's who he had 5-10", and 20-40lbs on. It was pathetic and caused many a media "expert" to raise a red flag considering he's a big man. Three years later...
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I'd just like to point out that the measuring tape doesn't always do players justice. For example, LaMarcus Aldridge scored worse than most of the 2006 draft class at bench pressing...That included all those PG's who he had 5-10", and 20-40lbs on. It was pathetic and caused many a media "expert" to raise a red flag considering he's a big man. Three years later...
3 years later he's one hell of a big man, but he's still pretty soft.
exactly what experts said... excellent skills, soft touch, should be a very good player in coming years, but needs to toughen up, plays weak and isnt very physical.

so what.

the combine results tell you how strong a player is, how fast, agile, etc... they dont tell you how skillful they are or how good their iq is.
for what they are worth, they do their job.
if a guy has trouble benching 225, then odds are they arent physically as strong as guys who can pound that weight.
it doesnt mean they arent better at ball, just means they arent as physically strong. nothing more, nothing less.
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3 years later he's one hell of a big man, but he's still pretty soft.
exactly what experts said... excellent skills, soft touch, should be a very good player in coming years, but needs to toughen up, plays weak and isnt very physical.

so what.

the combine results tell you how strong a player is, how fast, agile, etc... they dont tell you how skillful they are or how good their iq is.
for what they are worth, they do their job.
if a guy has trouble benching 225, then odds are they arent physically as strong as guys who can pound that weight.
it doesnt mean they arent better at ball, just means they arent as physically strong. nothing more, nothing less.
I think it was more like 180. Anyway, thanks the elaborating to help prove the point I was making.
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185 is the weight these guys have to bench?
i always thought it was 225. wow. i always thought these guys were stronger.
185 is chump change.


in any case, the point i was trying to get accross was:
Derozan is supposed to be an athletic beast, yet he's at the bottom of the pack in the physical combine results.
shouldnt this guy be at the top, considering all the hype he's been getting about his freakish abilities?
no one ever said Aldridge was an athletic freak, so no one could really be disappointed when he had a weaker showing.
Derozan , on the other hand was expected to wipe the floor with other players in these tests, and he's come up horribly low.
if someones supposed to be a gifted athlete - which is what he's being labbelled, he should have shown it. in his case, these physical combines speak volumes.
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185 is the weight these guys have to bench?
i always thought it was 225. wow. i always thought these guys were stronger.
185 is chump change.


in any case, the point i was trying to get accross was:
Derozan is supposed to be an athletic beast, yet he's at the bottom of the pack in the physical combine results.
shouldnt this guy be at the top, considering all the hype he's been getting about his freakish abilities?
no one ever said Aldridge was an athletic freak, so no one could really be disappointed when he had a weaker showing.
Derozan , on the other hand was expected to wipe the floor with other players in these tests, and he's come up horribly low.
if someones supposed to be a gifted athlete - which is what he's being labbelled, he should have shown it. in his case, these physical combines speak volumes.
he wasn't suppsoed to mop the floor in the sprint or agilty test, he was just expected to do better(finishing is still his primary athletic talent) .

if the physical combine speaks so much then why is jason kapono's agility test time of 11.04 above players like chris paul to name one of many comeplete head scratchers

a guy like rudy fernadez had a horrible sprint time yet if you watch the guy, he runs like a deer . montey ellis scored so bad it baffels me because he's one of the most agile payers in the league

these combine, yeah they can provide insight but they're not an exact science.
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All i've been hearing and reading about Derozan is his freakish athletic ability... all the talk is about how explosive he is, how fast he is, how no one in the draft can match his athleticism.
yet when the first combine comes out and its his chance to live up to the hype, he pretty much buckled... all that he did well was jump high.

since when was CP or Monta ever labelled an athletic freak?
sure, they are fast players who can run the court well, but ive never heard anyone refer to either of them as a powerhouse/beast.... like they are (or were) calling Derozan.
IMO, if you are being labelled as the most physically gifted player in the draft class - maybe you can prove it by doing well, not coming near the bottom of the pack in 2 out of 3 categories.
it doesnt bode well for his reputation.

this is all speculation for now, so we'll have to see how he fares in his workouts. too bad he wont be doing one with the raps.... and if thats the case, i dont want us even bothering to draft him.
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Mango, I would love for your first proposed deal to go through. We would have a pretty good SG and our team would almost be complete. With the 24th pick we can pick a PG. And then with some minor aquasations in the summer for some bench players we would be a good team coming back
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All i've been hearing and reading about Derozan is his freakish athletic ability... all the talk is about how explosive he is, how fast he is, how no one in the draft can match his athleticism.
yet when the first combine comes out and its his chance to live up to the hype, he pretty much buckled... all that he did well was jump high.

since when was CP or Monta ever labelled an athletic freak?
sure, they are fast players who can run the court well, but ive never heard anyone refer to either of them as a powerhouse/beast.... like they are (or were) calling Derozan.
IMO, if you are being labelled as the most physically gifted player in the draft class - maybe you can prove it by doing well, not coming near the bottom of the pack in 2 out of 3 categories.
it doesnt bode well for his reputation.

this is all speculation for now, so we'll have to see how he fares in his workouts. too bad he wont be doing one with the raps.... and if thats the case, i dont want us even bothering to draft him.
cp and ellis are pointguards(probably the most agile postion) and athletic pointguards at that. they change direction quicker then most players in the league thats for sure. you don"t find it odd how kapono beat their time in the algilty test? or how luke jackson or jj redick have 36 inch verticals?


derozan is as explosive as they get. you can find numerous footage of it. not the fastest sprinter, obviously not the quickest but overall still a supreme athlete. 2 steps and he's up as high as anyone with the ability to hang . He can dunk with ease running top speed, something only the best best athletic specimens can do(see lebron, igoudala, guys that just book it with the ball on the fast break and tomahawk away)
we'll see soon enough. in a year or two if derozen is joey gramham-esque then feel free to lip me off. don't bank on though
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