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Old 03-16-2009, 03:54 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The reason why Joey has gotten a chance is because he's not pulled after a mistake - he was allowed to work through it..and injuries have played a part in him getting more playing time. Bargs has performed better because he has a definite position, he's not all over the place.

I don't think you can blame this on the so called "brutal schedule". Some of the losses this year have been inexcusable. Meltdowns, blowouts, whatever you want to call it - those are not only a reflection of the players, but the coaches for not preparing/motivating the players well enough.
i do agree that there are areas that Jay needs to work on, but the guys on the floor have NOT worked hard for the most part and that is why this season has become such an effort in futility. This team NEEDS to have balance on offense and defense and has started to get that with guys like Marion and Pops who work hard every game. Jay has been there and has offered this team many opportunities to succeed, they just ran and hid most nights... i can't blame that on the coach as he can't scream and yell at them every night, but needs to work them to respond... we are starting to see that approach pay off...
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The reason why Joey has gotten a chance is because he's not pulled after a mistake - he was allowed to work through it..and injuries have played a part in him getting more playing time. Bargs has performed better because he has a definite position, he's not all over the place.

I don't think you can blame this on the so called "brutal schedule". Some of the losses this year have been inexcusable. Meltdowns, blowouts, whatever you want to call it - those are not only a reflection of the players, but the coaches for not preparing/motivating the players well enough.
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can anyone really motivate Jason Kapono to become anything other than a shooter at this level?

Jay has given Joey and AP a chance as well as Roko and they have responded since he has been here. Andrea Bargnani has become a solid contender for Most Improved Player and i think he should win over Devin Harris. Jamario Moon and Jermaine O'Neal were dealt for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks.. not his fault and he is trying to find Marion a place. Jose has been hurt, Bosh has been hurt, O'Neal was hurt, Hump has been hurt - any time Jake is on the floor, you know depth is a serious issue!! Pops has come in and given us a spark and Jay has done a good job managing his minutes and motivating him to play well... i don't know, as i see it, this team has been very motivated by Jay. Injuries and brutal schedules have killed this team, IMHO.

This is way too apologetic. Have you gone to any of the games this year? The effort has been sad quite often. The individual talent on this team is still in a place where we were projected top 5 in the conference but they dont' play as a team and they lay down in the 4th quarter when the game is on. The guys are playing soft and uninspired for the most part and it's depressing to the fans. I much prefered watching Sam's first year team get beat than this one because at least they went down fighting every night to a better team. We're losing to soft, weaker teams because we have no real fight.

Calling it any other way is making excuses in my mind and I can't watch another year of this crappy unemotional basketball.
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:02 PM   #44 (permalink)
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This is way too apologetic. Have you gone to any of the games this year? The effort has been sad quite often. The individual talent on this team is still in a place where we were projected top 5 in the conference but they dont' play as a team and they lay down in the 4th quarter when the game is on. The guys are playing soft and uninspired for the most part and it's depressing to the fans. I much prefered watching Sam's first year team get beat than this one because at least they went down fighting every night to a better team. We're losing to soft, weaker teams because we have no real fight.
Calling it any other way is making excuses in my mind and I can't watch another year of this crappy unemotional basketball.
I'd take any Sam coached seasons over the crap we've seen under Jay Triano.
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:04 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Honestly, if it wasnt Jay and it was some no name assistant that took over for Smitch, some of you would still be lobbying for him even if he had a 1-2 win to loss ratio. Everyone wants change, but we need a guy whos proven that has shown he knows what hes doing as a head coach. Jay hasnt shown me anything really. He lets guys play through their mistakes, so what. The defence is still awful, theres still a major problem with our defensive system and rotations, and our offence is still very bland and basic and easy to stop for the top teams. Bargs has made it look better with his surge in play but its still bad.

You get Flip Saunders in here, we run a cohesive offensive system where players know where shots are coming from and whos going to get them in which spots, it creates more offensive rebounding opportunities due to players knowing which positions to be in, and better shot selection. And the defence will be guessing more often. Obviously in saying that you need better players to make the system look good, but at least we'll be running something that can get us points and not just hope the defence makes a mistake, or Bosh scores on his own after holding it for 15 seconds.

And on defence the same thing, players knowing where to be on rotations, forcing players a certain way into the help, helping the helper in spots etc etc.

We need new proven blood in here next year. Its not the biggest thing on the agenda, but we need to stop going with these inexperienced coaches and get a good one proven one.
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:08 PM   #46 (permalink)
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This is way too apologetic. Have you gone to any of the games this year? The effort has been sad quite often. The individual talent on this team is still in a place where we were projected top 5 in the conference but they dont' play as a team and they lay down in the 4th quarter when the game is on. The guys are playing soft and uninspired for the most part and it's depressing to the fans. I much prefered watching Sam's first year team get beat than this one because at least they went down fighting every night to a better team. We're losing to soft, weaker teams because we have no real fight.

Calling it any other way is making excuses in my mind and I can't watch another year of this crappy unemotional basketball.
I have watched almost all of the games and I agree, the effort is just not there most nights. Some nights they look like they were up all night watching XXX movies, but I think over all, this team has been a reflection of guys listening to their own press too much. IF this team had been playing consistently, would BC have pulled the trigger after 17 games and an 8 - 9 record? No, BC was looking for a coach who had a better raport with the guys and could perhaps help instill pride back into them. Jay has not been able to do that, but I have seen this team starting to play with some balls lately. I think we shall see BC rebuild this team over the summer and Jay will be back at least to see what he can do with a team from camp. I know Jay knows his stuff and he has the tools to coach at this level. I also believe that this team reflects DIRECTLY on the guy we call the Face of the Raptors. he is soft, small and outplayed by most guys at his position night after night. his knees prevent him from hitting the deck <i am sure that is his reasoning, though i have never asked> and his size prevents him from pounding inside. With no real presence inside <see ya Jermaine, thanks for some great games> AB and CB are forced to face guys waiting for them to attack and teams rotate out to stop them. when AB and CB both have good games, we win, when one sucks, we lose... that is the reality we have had all season as guys have been in and out of the lineup with injuries.

Jay can only say the right things, the guys will either listen, or not, i think they are seeing the value in what he is preaching... stay tuned... he has a lot to offer this team and BC knows it..
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:20 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I have watched almost all of the games and I agree, the effort is just not there most nights. Some nights they look like they were up all night watching XXX movies, but I think over all, this team has been a reflection of guys listening to their own press too much. IF this team had been playing consistently, would BC have pulled the trigger after 17 games and an 8 - 9 record? No, BC was looking for a coach who had a better raport with the guys and could perhaps help instill pride back into them. Jay has not been able to do that, but I have seen this team starting to play with some balls lately. I think we shall see BC rebuild this team over the summer and Jay will be back at least to see what he can do with a team from camp. I know Jay knows his stuff and he has the tools to coach at this level. I also believe that this team reflects DIRECTLY on the guy we call the Face of the Raptors. he is soft, small and outplayed by most guys at his position night after night. his knees prevent him from hitting the deck <i am sure that is his reasoning, though i have never asked> and his size prevents him from pounding inside. With no real presence inside <see ya Jermaine, thanks for some great games> AB and CB are forced to face guys waiting for them to attack and teams rotate out to stop them. when AB and CB both have good games, we win, when one sucks, we lose... that is the reality we have had all season as guys have been in and out of the lineup with injuries.

Jay can only say the right things, the guys will either listen, or not, i think they are seeing the value in what he is preaching... stay tuned... he has a lot to offer this team and BC knows it..
Brian Colangelo can't afford to bring Jay back and have to fire another coach next season. It would make us an even bigger joke then we are now. As for you "Knowing" Jay has the tools to coach at this level"?? Well, i don't know how you "Know" this and say it as fact when he's not shown that one bit.

If Triano is back next season it'll be disapointing for many.
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maybe all Triano needs is time

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Brian Colangelo can't afford to bring Jay back and have to fire another coach next season. It would make us an even bigger joke then we are now. As for you "Knowing" Jay has the tools to coach at this level"?? Well, i don't know how you "Know" this and say it as fact when he's not shown that one bit.

If Triano is back next season it'll be disapointing for many.
i won't disagree with you on that one, but, i do believe that Jay can coach at this level. I disagree with you that he has grown a lot over this past month and he is making much more astute decisions on the floor. As i have said before, when you have jackshit to put on the floor night after night, you really can't blame the coach.

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maybe all Triano needs is time

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there are many coaches who struggle for a year or so and then go on to great things.. ask bill cowhers... coaches need time to grow as well, and i think Jay has done enough to show BC that he can do the job at this point and for the next few years... if we fire him, he won't be out for long...
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:37 PM   #51 (permalink)
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i won't disagree with you on that one, but, i do believe that Jay can coach at this level. I disagree with you that he has grown a lot over this past month and he is making much more astute decisions on the floor. As i have said before, when you have jackshit to put on the floor night after night, you really can't blame the coach.

I blame him for the constant lack of effort/pride shown night in and night out. They seem extremly unmotivated, unprepared and show no fight for the most part. The game on Friday vs Philly is a perfect example of a game that was winable, where the 76ers weren't playing that well, but we just never showed up and got killed embarassingly. And there has been way too many times while Jay has coached this team where they appeared to want to be anywhere but where they were. You rarely saw that under Sam. Effort was expected with Sam Mitchell. You can lose if you simply don't have the hoarses, but there is no excuse for lack of effort which seems to be the case way too often under Jay. And that's mostly on him and his motivational skills. This team simply looks unprepared on most nights. They play soft because they have a soft, inexperienced coach.
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K heres a question for y'all... Would our record be diff if Sam was still the coach?
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Well yeah, it would be different if SJ was the coach too. It changes the events of the past!!!!!!

I'd bet this board would be in a mad rage if Sam was still the coach, with myself as the leader of the rage.
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I think there are a lot of reasons that can be brought to the responsibility question. do the players get to blame the coach when they stink? that is way too easy!! but, it is the reality for most teams. the coach gets ignored, tuned out, whatever and it is easier to fire 1 guy than trade 10!! we let the players get away with too much and put too much emphasis on a coach either making or breaking a team. this team was awful fromt the start of the year and BC called it the best ever. Smitch was fired and the players didn't even burp! the players know that if they whine enough, the coach will be blamed so they have no reason to care, for the most part. Guys like Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, who have a WILL to win demand it from the guys they play with. Bosh can't even get the guys to follow him to the bus! it is a systemic issue with this team and Jay is neither the cause nor the answer. BC has some things to explain, but he can just keep firing coaches or we can let him rebuild this team with a decent coach who has similar philosophies as he does.... it makes it much easier to find players who will fit when you and the coach see eye to eye on how the game is to be played...

i say, he is worth the effort and Jay should stay.
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K heres a question for y'all... Would our record be diff if Sam was still the coach?
IMO, yes! We'd be in playoff contention with Sam, 30+ wins at this point.
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I'm going to have to argee, I mean correct me if im wrong but after post games or pre-games i just like that sam says and seems like you know alot about the game. I mean Jay is a pro but I just think he doesn't have what it takes to be a coach in the nba.
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who is this guy? never heard of him. is he italian?
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who is this guy? never heard of him. is he italian?
No, from what I heard, he's South Asian.
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