I was wrong about BC, he is a genius!!
Old 01-01-2009, 12:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Replacing Sam with JT is seriously the best self preservating, dont blame me move ive seen in awhile, Sam was obviously the problem before, and JT is the problem now!! BC sure knows how to make moves baby, hopefully Bosh can leave us and we get nothing in return, then he can say, what can i do!!
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Old 01-01-2009, 01:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i know.
he gave us all the pieces to compete in the nba this season....
"we're a better team..."

you know youre going to get one of these..
"ohh, BC is good. who are we going to replace him with anyways..?"
"if youre so smart what would you have done...?"

whack.
the team sucks.
the guy who put it together said we're suppose to compete in the east yet we dont make him accountable.
instead people are blaming unproven players and coaches...
thats whack.
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This is my reaction. The players are proven, sorry.

The problem is, and I'll continue to harp on this, is that we lack an overall lack of chemistry. The pieces simply don't fit. We needed rebounding, J.O. was brought in, but it hasn't worked b/w he and Bosh. They just don't compliment eachother as well as originally thought. Right now, I'll argue that's our biggest problem on offence. We lack cohesion and you can see it on almost every possession. There's no comfortability with eachother. We're simply just playing like its the Y.

Is this BC fault? Yes, he brings in the players. But does he fully deserve blame? No, because he's not a damn psychic either. He brought in a guy who would address some of our biggest needs the last few seasons. Sadly, it hasn't worked.

What the good thing is, is it hasn't handcuffed us. It's failed this season. Period. But this offseason, J.O.'s unmoveable contract according to some, becomes a great asset and we're able to reload.

But of course, I'll hear the inevitable, he'll hide behind daddy's coattails etc.

I'm not happy, but again, the players play the game, we don't have bad players, we just have no cohesion.
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We gave away or lost all our depth, our roster isnt good, our players arent good, CB4 and JO are the only two that would start on most teams in this league , the rest are scrubs.
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We have the three (Bosh/Calderon/O'Neal) but after that there is a serious drop off.
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We gave away or lost all our depth, our roster isnt good, our players arent good, CB4 and JO are the only two that would start on most teams in this league , the rest are scrubs.
And what did depth do for this team exactly? One could argue that Boston had no depth last season until they brought in Sam and PJ Brown late in the season to compliment Posey.

When we had depth we still didn't win. The entire city was screaming that we can't rebound and defend. So we bring in J.O. who historically has been known to defend and rebound but really it hasn't worked out as well. I'd argue Jose and even Bargnani to an extent would start on teams in this league.
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Ill give u guys Jose, maybe half the teams would start him.

What did depth do? I dunno, got us 47 wins, got us at least .500 last year, got us into the playoffs, didnt make us a laughing stock of the league as we are now? Just a few things... Comparing us to Boston, except the fact they have three HOFs starting and we have none, besides that little tidbit, oh yea, we are exactly alike!!! Good teams have a guy off the bench that could start on alot of teams, not all obv, but alot, our bench would just be deeper on the bench on good teams. He built a team destined to fail, unless his whole plan was to wait til 2010 to really make a good team, he has failed miserably. How many times will BC bring in natural PFs and put them at C and be like "zomg it didnt work out??"

Btw he doesnt need to hide behind Daddy, everybody in the know, knows there is no comparison, thats why Team USA wasnt knocking down Bryans door.
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Ill give u guys Jose, maybe half the teams would start him.

What did depth do? I dunno, got us 47 wins, got us at least .500 last year, got us into the playoffs, didnt make us a laughing stock of the league as we are now? Just a few things... Comparing us to Boston, except the fact they have three HOFs starting and we have none, besides that little tidbit, oh yea, we are exactly alike!!! Good teams have a guy off the bench that could start on alot of teams, not all obv, but alot, our bench would just be deeper on the bench on good teams. He built a team destined to fail, unless his whole plan was to wait til 2010 to really make a good team, he has failed miserably. How many times will BC bring in natural PFs and put them at C and be like "zomg it didnt work out??"

Btw he doesnt need to hide behind Daddy, everybody in the know, knows there is no comparison, thats why Team USA wasnt knocking down Bryans door.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but yes it got us 47 and then 41 wins. I use Boston as a comparison b/c they were the last team to try to add three big pieces. I use it b/c Bosh/JO/Calderon seemed entirely sexy to us and even if they took up alot of our cap room. The guy who was supposed tobe that sixth man was Andrea and for the early portion of this season I would argue it worked well.

And how many other teams have brought in PFs to play Cs. Traditional Cs have gone the way of the dodo and when they do come, we draft guys like Oden ahead of Durrant. I'd argue we miss Rasho more than anything right and I'd even be willing to trade J.O. for him right now straight up.

And who are your sources on the final comment? Everyone in the know? It's easy to say things, but qualify them first. Otherwise, your simply speaking as a fan.

And what's funny, is that you mention depth, BC brought in that depth so apparently he was doing something right; but now that we're having ONE bad season, it's immediately his fault. I know you're not happy but using your own argument against you, he had done a fine job till this last season. The rushing of firing of Sam was what has cost us this season.
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Our level of talent has nothing to do with this. The real problem is that noooo one but JO,Jose, and on some days CB play with heart. Everyones so dead and motionless on the court, its not that are wings are so poor on D that they have to get out played every night, its just they dont play with heart.
Look at the celtics, fucking lock down D... because there all hungry and want to win
Our team just doesnt gell, you can go point fingers but its the teams fault not one player coach or gm
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lol its beautiful just to blame the team, beautiful, but nonsense.

So basically in 4 years BC has got us back where he started with cap space, so basically he is the man for getting us to the playoffs with little hope of going deep and quick exits to more talented teams, then brought up back to the 24 win season with cap space (which he had when he joined), so i'd argue he has done little to nothing.

As far as Jerry being more respected then Bryan?? lol you really wanna argue the other way around? wow

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This is my reaction. The players are proven, sorry.
so joey graham, andrea bargnani, jamario moon, kris humphries, roko ukic, will solomon, nathan jawaii and hassan adams are all proven nba players?
that's 8 of the 14 guys on our roster.

the majority of those guys just prove their inconsistant.
im not saying those guys dont have loads of potential but proven they are not.
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lol its beautiful just to blame the team, beautiful, but nonsense.

So basically in 4 years BC has got us back where he started with cap space, so basically he is the man for getting us to the playoffs with little hope of going deep and quick exits to more talented teams, then brought up back to the 24 win season with cap space (which he had when he joined), so i'd argue he has done little to nothing.

As far as Jerry being more respected then Bryan?? lol you really wanna argue the other way around? wow

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ok try going over what i just wrote
the team doesnt gell meaning everyone is at fault
the TEAM that BC created
but BC is not the only one to blame, he brought in a solid group of players and turned this franchise around at one point
now yes hes having trouble finishing what he started
and ever since BC has been here we've made it to playoffs
your right getting eliminated 1st round 2 years in a row is a bitch
but I dont think this forum would be running as well if we had a losing record for the last 2 seasons... then you would be begging just to experience watching our team compete in the playoffs even if it ment getting sweeped 1st round by the pistons
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lol its beautiful just to blame the team, beautiful, but nonsense.

So basically in 4 years BC has got us back where he started with cap space, so basically he is the man for getting us to the playoffs with little hope of going deep and quick exits to more talented teams, then brought up back to the 24 win season with cap space (which he had when he joined), so i'd argue he has done little to nothing.

As far as Jerry being more respected then Bryan?? lol you really wanna argue the other way around? wow

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Please say where I said that he is more respected? You said that and you're saying "everyone in the know", you can't simply make those claims unless you're really in the know right? I was directing it towards that.

But you were saying that we lack depth. That's WHAT we needed. That's exactly what you said. And now you're saying that it wouldn't get us anywhere. That depth is pointless. So, then going for that big home run move hasn't worked.

Really, again, I'm not saying he's done a great job, but he's stuck between a rock and a hard place with some of you guys.

I'm curious, what could he have done right now? Seriously? I'm beginning to think that even if we made it to the 2nd round we wouldn't be happy b/c we'd still say, well he hasn't won us a championship. I honestly, don't get it and it's become pointless to argue.
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so joey graham, andrea bargnani, jamario moon, kris humphries, roko ukic, will solomon, nathan jawaii and hassan adams are all proven nba players?
that's 8 of the 14 guys on our roster.

the majority of those guys just prove their inconsistant.
im not saying those guys dont have loads of potential but proven they are not.
Andrea is a proven player, Kris Humphries is a proven player even Jamario is a proven player. Roko is a rookie (all teams have rookies, gasp, even some start on squads). The rest are terrible but even Joey has shown that he can play in the NBA. Go through any squad in the NBA and you'll see the same holes.

By the way, Kapono is a proven NBA player as well.

Oh and if your definition of being proven is playing to their full ability, again, look around the league and you won't see any team that has a roster full of PROVEN NBA players.
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i dont really think andrea and hump have proven themselves in the NBA yet
if scoring 20 once or twice means provenn... then yes
and Kapono has definitely proven himself in this league, heck he started on a championship team :|
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What the hell does proven mean to you guys? Define proven. Please!
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A solid season
where you actualy contributed on a consistent basis
Hump ...no
Bargnani had his ups and downs, so i dont think you can put him in that category
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Andrea is a proven player, Kris Humphries is a proven player even Jamario is a proven player. Roko is a rookie (all teams have rookies, gasp, even some start on squads). The rest are terrible but even Joey has shown that he can play in the NBA. Go through any squad in the NBA and you'll see the same holes.

By the way, Kapono is a proven NBA player as well.

Oh and if your definition of being proven is playing to their full ability, again, look around the league and you won't see any team that has a roster full of PROVEN NBA players.
a proven player is one who has had long stretches of games playing their game well to the best of their ability consistantly.
and i never said Kapono wasnt a proven nba player.

youre right, you wont see a team full of "proven" players but you wouldnt see so many on a team that's actually competing this year.

look at the teams competing for their conference and tell me if any of them got 8 "unproven" guys on their team.
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Why are these players unproven? Everyone has played in the league for more than a year. They're either good, bad or average.
Only Roko is unproven.
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yeah i dont think "unproven" players should be our main concern
but the chemistry of our players... is sad..
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