I learned a lot more about Bosh this year
Old 03-12-2009, 08:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When Bosh first came into the league I knew he had talent. His personality was a mystery to me being such a young guy. He was quiet and seemed very shy or reserved. After the first few years of watching and listening to him I felt he was not a leader type. He was more of a good soldier type.

Then after the Carter trade and more specifically the year in which we won 47 games he surprised me and showed leadership quality and demonstrated a vocal presence like a leader should. He got into rookies faces like Bargs and told off teammates who were slacking etc... His play lead by example. This was all good signs and building for a bright future. He then showed some grit and stones in the 6th game of the jersey series by almost willing that game out. All in all he was becoming the exact leader this team needed.

That ended the day Sam Mitchell was fired. I could read between the lines of his comments that he did not agree with BC's decision on that move. Comments like "Well if I had to pick another coach besides Sam I guess I would also choose Triano." This is not a ringing endorsement but more of i don't agree but oh well the second choice aint bad.

From that day forward I did not see the same Bosh again. His stats went down, his play was lackluster and emotion was not part of his game. Vocally I did not see any urgency from him on the bench , in timeouts/huddles or in interviews. It was all canned statements and cliches. He did not really get on players for poor play or anything. He just went along for the ride. Some will argue his stats were still good and therefore he played as well as he could but I will disagree. Bosh has enough talent, minutes and touches on this team to play half assed and get 20/10 and that's what he has done. With effort he could be a 24/12 guy but more importantly I would see some hustle and grit on defense. There has been no defense played by Bosh at all after Sam was let go.

Bosh was quoted that "He has rang the leadership bell enough times this year and got nothing from the troops". Well empty words dont motivate and the rest of the players here can feel that and pick up on it. They will only play hard if their leader is also playing hard which again I say is not the case.

The other thing that has become apparent this year is that Bosh is not a true franchise guy. A franchise guy can carry a team to the playoffs alone. Were talking about Chris Paul, Lebron,Dwade, Duncan Kobe etc. you add a second star player to them and they get to the finals.. Add a few solid role players and they are champs... Bosh is just a 1a not a 1 in my opinion.

I truly believe Bosh made his mind up he will not resign with the Raps no matter what the day the axe fell on Sam. Of course he will never say that but we shall see how it plays out from here.

This is my take and a lot of it is just from my observation, opinion and not fact obviously.
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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good post shack. there's a lot of truth in there. for me, the thing is that there's no chance of us getting that franchise superstar right now, so a 20/10 bigman is a pretty good thing to have. granted, he did need to man up post-smitch and play. i mean, this is a pro's league, and you have to give it all you got, even when you miss your old coach or you disagree with the new one. whether he re-signs or not, i'm happy to have him here, and i hope that we can pull of something in the off-season to surround him with quality players and a good coach so we can see what talent this kid really has.
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I can see where you're coming from, but I really think it's been more about the team as a whole being lost, and that with a team that is not lost, we would see much more from a Bosh. Whether he's more or less checked out is a little premature to say. To me it felt very much like the GM tanked the season very early on. A better leader might have been able to make the transition work better, but that's putting a lot on a 24 year old. Hopefully he gains from the experience.

And Bosh did carry this team to the playoffs alone already, so I'm missing that point.

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The only players that really benefited were Jose and Bosh in Sam's system. Both those players have really fell off their usual all-star calibre play, but some players benefited from Jays system. Jay helped the development of Bargs and joey, were as when sam was coach, those 2 were always looking over there shoulders.

I think Bosh hasn't been playing well because hes already looking forward to summer. He knows the season is over, so why should he give his all, night in, night out? This part of the season should be to better develop our prospects, and shut down Jose and Bosh for the season and get a fresh start next season.

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Old 03-12-2009, 08:45 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Bargnani showed great things at the start of the season under Sam, and struggled under Jay for an entire month.

And Jose never had any usual all star calibre play to fall off from. But then of course I forget too easily how many players are legitimate all stars whenever it's convenient to think so.

It really comes down to this - the team sucks right now, and it can easily enough stop sucking. Bosh knows that. BC knows that. I'll leave it up to them to figure it out and not try to guess at hidden motives or terrible character flaws. We ran TJ out of here by amplifying such thinking and it didn't exactly serve the team very well. I have zero interest in what lies deep within any of their hearts. I just want to see guys that honor the game some, and with Bosh I have seen just that.
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think Bosh has played well this season he has identical stats with the years before ... Every year Bosh has a month or so when he rips the court, last season it happened in January if I remember correctly, this season it happened in November. There was no reason to think Bosh will get better number this year, since he pretty much hit a ceiling two years ago, in terms of both rebounds and points.
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Bargnani showed great things at the start of the season under Sam, and struggled under Jay for an entire month.
Bargnani had a good start because he was getting minutes at the center position. Mitchell moved him to SF where he got abused and his confidence went down the drain, and it took him a few games to recover it, even after being moved back to C. I think it's silly to blame this on triano, or mitchell (although moving Bargnani to SF was one of mitchell's pet peeves, despite obvious evidence that he can't be effective there).
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Didnt a lot of sources say Bosh was one of the ones that wanted Sam out?

Didnt they say there was a lot of tension between the two after the golfing incident?

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Old 03-12-2009, 09:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Shack very good post. You made some very good points, however, getting rid of Mitch was the right thing to do. I believe Bosh was not a Mitch type of guy and it started to show when he questioned about some strageties mitch had in place. The team just gave up on Mitch and BC just took advantage of it. Mitch was never a BC guy. You mention TJ Ford well, all I can say is good riddens. We never were going to get any better with or without him.
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Bargnani had a good start because he was getting minutes at the center position. Mitchell moved him to SF where he got abused and his confidence went down the drain, and it took him a few games to recover it, even after being moved back to C. I think it's silly to blame this on triano, or mitchell (although moving Bargnani to SF was one of mitchell's pet peeves, despite obvious evidence that he can't be effective there).
sam didn't want Bargs at the three. it was BC.

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Didnt a lot of sources say Bosh was one of the ones that wanted Sam out?

Didnt they say there was a lot of tension between the two after the golfing incident?

what sources :|
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The only I remember for sure is Adrian Wojnarowsky, and hes not someone that likes to stir shit or invent stuff.

Im pretty sure he wasnt the only one.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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you're gonna have to link dude.

regardless, chris openly criticized the move. i'll take the words out of his mouth over some writer writing about the hearsay about their relationship.
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I doubt I would find it. But I remember clearly what I read, that doesnt make what Woj said true though. I dont remember Bosh critizising the move either.

All I know is that both Sam and Jay are pretty mediocre coaches but its difficult to blame them that much when everyone of their players without exception underperformes heavily.
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Bel, you are right.
I remember it as well, and besides, when has Chris ever criticized anything publicly?
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I doubt I would find it. But I remember clearly what I read, that doesnt make what Woj said true though. I dont remember Bosh critizising the move either.

All I know is that both Sam and Jay are pretty mediocre coaches but its difficult to blame them that much when everyone of their players without exception underperformes heavily.
stop saying that Jay triano sucks
he is canadian
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I remember it also Belsius. Not vividly, but i can remember something to that effect.

In the end, it's all speculation anyways, so it's kind of a moot point - and hindsight is always 20/20.

Perosnally, yeah i think the Mitchell firing was a bad call looking back at it now, and clearly Bosh and the rest of the team haven't handled the change very well. However, i would like to see what a new coach would bring out of guys like Jose, Chris and Andrea. A good motivator AND a good tactician.... well i can dream, no?
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stop saying that Jay triano sucks
he is canadian
SO?

who cares where he's from.

He isn't a good NBA head coach. not for this team at least.
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I was also under the impression that Chris was tired of Sam's shit shat.
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As much as I like Bosh, from now on whereever he goes he will not be called a 'superstar' anymore. A superstar is a Dwayne Wade who plays his heart out every game no matter how he is tired or hurt.
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I don't know about Dwayne, but Dwyane Wade tanked games last year. And if we're going to get hung up on what the guy should be labeled then the team might as well become completely irrelevant and fade into oblivion.
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