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Old 07-30-2009, 01:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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but I have to.
Their so called score card for free agents signing is ridiculous.
Boston signs 1 player and somehow had a better off seasons than us?? Is rasheed wallace going to make more of a difference as a bench player than hedu, jack, derozan, wright,bellineli, rasho and evans will do to us? Ridiculous.

But the cake has to be Detroit being ranked better when they clearly downgraded their team. They might be old, but Iverson + Wallace + McDyess + Johnson + Affalo is a better group than gordon, cv and wilcox. Not to mention the stupid contracts (8 million to Charlie??, 11 to Gordon??).

And btw, hollinger who said hedu is horrible overpaid at 10/yr, was very favorable to signing gordon to 11/yr. What a joke espn is. I can't wait to hear the 3PM chat with Hollinger, when he's going to say that bellineli is a scrub and that the warriors have won the trade because they get some money out of it.
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Old 07-30-2009, 01:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I totally agree with you.

I actually went to check the score card this morning to see if they had added to Bellinelli...but they hadn't.

I couldn't for the life of me figure out he figured that Detroit had such a great offseason.
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Old 07-30-2009, 01:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't know...

I hate espn as well, but I dont think that how they compared TO and detroit is that bad. Yeah, we have had a more eventful offseason, and i personally think the players we got WILL be better, but we have a lot of unproven players.

Derozen hasnt played a game. Jack has yet to prove that he is anything better than a lower end starter to a good backup. Evans is a role player, as with rasho and wright. Benilli is still fresh. For the first time in Turk's playing career, he is going to be more than a 3rd option. He is going to see alot of double teams.

The way I think they evaluate the offseason is not what they loss but what they gained. If the Raptors somehow managed to get Gordon, CV and Wilcox, Raptors nation would be going crazy and would be saying we had the best offseason of any club.

It is all perspective.
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thanks buddy, reading for a long time, just thought i would chime in.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't know...

I hate espn as well, but I dont think that how they compared TO and detroit is that bad. Yeah, we have had a more eventful offseason, and i personally think the players we got WILL be better, but we have a lot of unproven players.

Derozen hasnt played a game. Jack has yet to prove that he is anything better than a lower end starter to a good backup. Evans is a role player, as with rasho and wright. Benilli is still fresh. For the first time in Turk's playing career, he is going to be more than a 3rd option. He is going to see alot of double teams.

The way I think they evaluate the offseason is not what they loss but what they gained. If the Raptors somehow managed to get Gordon, CV and Wilcox, Raptors nation would be going crazy and would be saying we had the best offseason of any club.

It is all perspective.
you're missing my point, I'm not comparing their new players with our new players. My point is that detroit left more value than they got back. Their offseason has been disastruos so far, just as bad as Memphis if not worse. Paying 20 million to cv + gordon, and building your franchise around those players must be irresponsible and in itself reason for disqualification.
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Well if youre grading Boston vs us on a scale of how it will help the team reach the next level and win a title, then of course they won because Sheed is a top 3 defensive bigman and can hit shots. Having him come off your bench is sick. And not to mention they got a solid guard now off the bench in Daniels who can play 3 positions.

We may have had a better offseason in terms of overall improvement but with them they cemented themselves as a team that could be the favorite to win it all next year.

In terms of Pistons, I completely agree. I have no clue what theyre doing either. They just went after pieces that were available without even looking at how it will help their overall team chemistry and build it seems like. And as much as I hate the length of Hedos deal, hes a better player than Gordon overall.
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the way I look at it is this that they are trying to remodel their franchise without tearing down their entire team. If you understand what the Pistons are trying to do, I think they have had a decent offseason. Joe Dumars is one of the best GMs in the game, he has made his mistakes, but has proven himself, so he thinks at a higher level than anyone of us could...

You have Sheed who was going to leave. AI who does fit the team and NO TEAM in the nba wants right now. Aging McDyess. Amir Johnson and Affalo are two players that you probably dont write home about. They got rid of the peices that any other GM, or sane human being would have.

I understand your point, I really do. You are comparing the team that they had at season's end, and look at the team after the moves. I think thats not very wholistic, because it doesnt take into account changes in philosophy and how they are planning to run the team (go younger and quicker-- ie stucky, gordon, CV). Dumars had a plan, and he got players who adhere to that plan, so in that sense I think he overpaid, but he did well.

Basically, Dumars got rid of the garbage, and brought in players that want to be there and is trying to change the image and direction of the team.
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Boston signs 1 player and somehow had a better off seasons than us??
In his eyes, only champion cities rate, and Toronto is not in that club.
Hopefully, trash like that article will get tounges wagging with more than just talk of Chris Bosh leaving.
BC is doing a stellar job of keeping lots of eyes on the Raptors this summer.
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Old 07-30-2009, 03:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I would have to say Detroit had a pretty good off season...They spent alot of money & only time will tell if it pays off...

We on the other hand in terms of where we were and where our roster sits now...BC has almost completly overhauled this team...BC wasn't supposed to be able to have much room for change, but BC has made rocks into gold with his basketball mind!

Now that being said Both should be good this year on paper.

I do think we have a slight edge though.

I do think that Gordon will play well with the pistons because on Offence he will play the 2 gaurd beside a 6'5" point gaurd...so it's pretty much the same thing as having a 6'3" PG & a 6'5" shooting gaurd but opposite.
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espn and most of the american market writers have little respect for canada, let alone the Raptors. I think we had one of the better off-seasons to this point. much better than the celtics and the pisssstons... but they are serving puff-tarts to those huge markets where as toronto is not even on their radar... welcome to RF rajbtor! keep up the great posts!
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I do think that Gordon will play well with the pistons because on Offence he will play the 2 gaurd beside a 6'5" point gaurd...so it's pretty much the same thing as having a 6'3" PG & a 6'5" shooting gaurd but opposite.
where does rip play then? and if rip's at the 3, where does prince play?

stuckey/rip/gordon/prince/cv is not an nba lineup. if maxiel goes in there for beef, who comes off the bench? ... and people call the raps soft... yikes.
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where does rip play then? and if rip's at the 3, where does prince play?

stuckey/rip/gordon/prince/cv is not an nba lineup. if maxiel goes in there for beef, who comes off the bench? ... and people call the raps soft... yikes.
and they call Joe D a gm god!! what does that make BC?? i am glad the moves we made are 'unheralded' at this point... i love a cinderella story.. wait and watch these pinheads backtrack and say how they KNEW that the Raptors would get it together and play excellent ball....
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I don't think Joe. D. plans to win anytime soon with a nucleus of Stuckey, Rip, Gordon, Prince, Charlie V. My guess is that he's stockpiling assets and trading chips and plans to be very active remaking his team in the future
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I would say Denver has had a very underrated offseason. They looked at their playoff run last year and said "you know what, we were pretty close to winning it all" and instead of making a major move or panicing into a big splash, they kept things as is and made a few, effective adjustments. Billups can't do anything against Fisher? Get a 5'11 superfast waterbug backup PG in Ty Lawson who can go Aaron Brooks on him. Teams doubling off Dahntay Jones to stop Melo? Bring in Aaron Affalo instead.

I maintain if they had gotten their usual production from the 1-3 spots in that series, Denver easily goes up 3-1 on the Lakers and likely wins it in 6. Kmart and Nene were in Odom and Gasol's heads for the first 4 games, if they had gotten their 55-60ppg normal production from Billups, Smith, Melo, it would overwhelm Kobe. But Fisher and Kobe shut down Billups and Smith, and when Jones played Melo got doubled by Jones' man too much... so the balance was tipped, especially with Ariza playing so well
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nice points mvp...
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I still even think that San Antonio had a really underrated off-season as well. They drafted a potential top ten draft pick at #37. They traded away garbage for a former all-star player who can put up 20ppg a game and who is 29 years old. Also, they signed Theo Ratliff who has proven that he can play defense and also they signed McDyess who can score from anywhere except from beyond the arc. They did all of this without trading one of there big three.
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but I have to.
Their so called score card for free agents signing is ridiculous.
Boston signs 1 player and somehow had a better off seasons than us?? Is rasheed wallace going to make more of a difference as a bench player than hedu, jack, derozan, wright,bellineli, rasho and evans will do to us? Ridiculous.

But the cake has to be Detroit being ranked better when they clearly downgraded their team. They might be old, but Iverson + Wallace + McDyess + Johnson + Affalo is a better group than gordon, cv and wilcox. Not to mention the stupid contracts (8 million to Charlie??, 11 to Gordon??).

And btw, hollinger who said hedu is horrible overpaid at 10/yr, was very favorable to signing gordon to 11/yr. What a joke espn is. I can't wait to hear the 3PM chat with Hollinger, when he's going to say that bellineli is a scrub and that the warriors have won the trade because they get some money out of it.
Man when you write about Boston you're completely wrong. What else do you think Boston needed besides a great PF/C (Sheed) and a slashing SG that can handle the ball (Marquis Daniels)? They had a heck of an offseason!

Hedo's not overpayed now, but he'll be really overpayed at the age of 34 when cap will be near 50M... That's a fact.

You're right when you talk about Detroit, because they really suck. No PGs, Stuckey is just another probie, too much SG's, no frontcourt...
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