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fk24 12-19-2011 04:03 PM

I don't see what is so great about Bayless
 
Other than his athleticism, which I think is good but not elite, I don't see any real PG skills. I don't see why people think he should be starting PG. It looks like his role should be more of a spark plug off the bench.

powerfulpanda 12-19-2011 04:10 PM

people think he should be starting on THIS team, over calderon. also in a tank season might as well see what he has. heck, we've given bargnani 7 years to show us something.....giving one season to bayless in a meaningless season isn't too much to ask is it?

Thug 12-19-2011 04:11 PM

While I agree that Jerryd Bayless isn't that great of a point guard, I will say this: Jose is not significantly better. The attractive part about giving Bayless more playing time is seeing him develop and grow with the rest of the team while making mistakes. Bayless is only 23, whereas Jose is already 30.

Bench Jose, let Jerryd start and play the majority of the minutes. It's going to be a down year anyway, might as well see what Jerryd can do and how he can develop and grow with the team.

jeffb 12-19-2011 04:38 PM

who is more considered to have a possible future role with this team? I think Jose's time here is coming to an end soon enough and bayless needs to play to further see what he can handle. i don't see him as a starter but i really don't think jose is much better or is a starter either on a good team. Ultimately, i don't see either as our starting PG when we start to compete for possible playoff success.

sink or swim with bayless playing 30 minutes, next summer drop jose and maybe both depending on what you have with bayless. this should be a season of seeing what you have with our youngsters and whether or not they can play defense under casey.

TORaptor4Ever 12-19-2011 04:43 PM

Say what you will about Jose, but he understands how to run a team better than Bayless does.... It's important for a young team.

jeffb 12-19-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 588773)
Say what you will about Jose, but he understands how to run a team better than Bayless does.... It's important for a young team.

Bahhh, he's overrated in that department imo. He hasn't led this team anywhere.

Kirby 12-19-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 588774)
Bahhh, he's overrated in that department imo. He hasn't led this team anywhere.

but how does Bayless do better?

and he does a pretty good job leading the rest of the team. He's not chucking the ball and distributes at a very efficient rate.

jeffb 12-19-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirby (Post 588775)
but how does Bayless do better?

and he does a pretty good job leading the rest of the team. He's not chucking the ball and distributes at a very efficient rate.

who cares? this isn't a year for doing better is it? it's a year to see what you have with the younger players to see if they have a future here. not playing a player who's not going to be here in the long term (i hope).

Shifty.py 12-19-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 588773)
Say what you will about Jose, but he understands how to run a team better than Bayless does.... It's important for a young team.

I would rephrase it, he makes some players better by creating scoring opportunities for them.

But Jose can still play well off the bench while Jerryd needs to be starting to be productive. Stats don't lie

powerfulpanda 12-19-2011 05:03 PM

yes jose as of right now is better than bayless. but who cares? manu ginobli is better than whoever was starting for the spurs.
we start jose and we win what? 3 more games? whats the point?

Thug 12-19-2011 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 588773)
Say what you will about Jose, but he understands how to run a team better than Bayless does.... It's important for a young team.

By far the stupidest thing I've read all day. Wow.

Rimpianto 12-19-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 588782)
yes jose as of right now is better than bayless. but who cares? manu ginobli is better than whoever was starting for the spurs.
we start jose and we win what? 3 more games? whats the point?

Quoting Vince Lombardi, "Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence."

jeffb 12-19-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thug (Post 588785)
By far the stupidest thing I've read all day. Wow.

Is it the first thing you read here today?

carp 12-19-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 588788)
Is it the first thing you read here today?


powerfulpanda 12-19-2011 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rimpianto (Post 588786)
Quoting Vince Lombardi, "Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence."

Quoting Confucious, "if you eat one grain of rice, you will be hungry. eat many grain of rice, you will be full"

carp 12-19-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 588792)
Quoting Confucious, "if you eat one grain of rice, you will be hungry. eat many grain of rice, you will be full"

These people haven't seen the last of my face. If I go down, I'm going down standing up.
- Chuck Person, NBA Basketball player

Toby 12-19-2011 05:43 PM

Bayless brings the power of wind.
Guys start getting tired trying to keep up with Bayless.

TORaptor4Ever 12-19-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 588774)
Bahhh, he's overrated in that department imo. He hasn't led this team anywhere.

Lol... he's not Derek Rose.

What he IS is a smart PG who knows how deliver the ball to people and put them in good position to score. He also takes care of the ball very, very well and limits TOs.

All very important things for a PG.

By all means, if Bayless learns how to run the team effectively and outplays Jose then you give him the lion's share of the minutes but it's silly to think that you're going bench the best floor general on the team when there isn't a better option available.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Thug (Post 588785)
By far the stupidest thing I've read all day. Wow.

That's great. Proves that you know absolutely nothing about the game of basketball.

box92 12-19-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 588777)
who cares? this isn't a year for doing better is it? it's a year to see what you have with the younger players to see if they have a future here. not playing a player who's not going to be here in the long term (i hope).

well if you want other players to get shots of as well and develop you start jose, because chucking does make a difference, less touches for the others

Carlito 12-19-2011 07:23 PM

Really doesn't matter .. there will be plenty of minutes for both, and it's only a matter of time before Caldy's hammy screams ....

The real question is whether Bayless will learn to play in control and leads an effective offense ... playing strong defense won't hurt with Casey


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