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Old 11-12-2012, 04:54 PM   #61 (permalink)
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We can talk about small things, but you need understund basketball... Last season in Lithuania play Tay Lowson, Sonny Weems and we suck in europe league.

Now we dont have Tay Lowson, Weems or other NBA player. But we have hard working team, and we greatest team in Europe this season. Raptors dont need big name, every dude can score 20pts if shoot 30times in game. You need hard working team, you have very good rookie. So give him time, lets play. And teach how play in defence, in ofence. Now you can't learn Bargnani rebound more than 6 rbs per game. But you can teach JV to do 10 rbs per game. Do you understand me?
your second paragraph actually had some sort of argument and evidence but it was nicely negated how you said you need to understand basketball (aka implying that I need to understand basketball and/or don't understand).

I understand what you're saying. Bargs can be inefficient, lazy, isn't that great a rebounder and can be an ok man2man defender. However, I do recognize that this team truly lacks in talent, like, a lot. Bargs, DD and Lowry are the only 3 options on offense. So, if Bargs goes, like you hope for, then another option needs to come back in return (preferably at SF). You talk about Jonas a lot but he still has a lot to learn on offense. Currently Jonas is a last or 4th option on offense. He was also underutilized substantially by both his Lithuanian team and the national team.

Hard work is great and all but without talent, depth, and defined roles, it is useless in the NBA. In Europe there is a lot more distribution of minutes, offense, etc meanwhile that is not the same in the nba.

Also, 'trane, sorry for making the first response/post, I didn't see your post until I had already posted mine. Also, this post is just a response to the response of the other post.

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Old 11-12-2012, 06:36 PM   #62 (permalink)
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We can talk about small things, but you need understund basketball... Last season in Lithuania play Tay Lowson, Sonny Weems and we suck in europe league.

Now we dont have Tay Lowson, Weems or other NBA player. But we have hard working team, and we greatest team in Europe this season. Raptors dont need big name, every dude can score 20pts if shoot 30times in game. You need hard working team, you have very good rookie. So give him time, lets play. And teach how play in defence, in ofence. Now you can't learn Bargnani rebound more than 6 rbs per game. But you can teach JV to do 10 rbs per game. Do you understand me?
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:18 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:19 PM   #64 (permalink)
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We can talk about small things, but you need understund basketball... Last season in Lithuania play Tay Lowson, Sonny Weems and we suck in europe league.

Now we dont have Tay Lowson, Weems or other NBA player. But we have hard working team, and we greatest team in Europe this season. Raptors dont need big name, every dude can score 20pts if shoot 30times in game. You need hard working team, you have very good rookie. So give him time, lets play. And teach how play in defence, in ofence. Now you can't learn Bargnani rebound more than 6 rbs per game. But you can teach JV to do 10 rbs per game. Do you understand me?
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What the hell? One more Lithuanian who thinks that we know SOOO much about basketball just because we are in the top 5 of international teams. And for God's sake man, learn proper English before you try to make a fool of yourself. It's strange to me how you didn't mention Kleiza in this no-sense-making paragraph. European basketball is different. It's not worse, but it's different. Though i can compare Zalgiris fans with the ones in this forum. When the team wins - "great, cool, we are the best" type of comments, but when either one loses it's "trade him, buy him, sell him, lets change our name to the Toronto Huskies" and etc.

Though i don't know if I made any sense, since its already 3am here. Goodnight folks.

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Old 11-12-2012, 10:32 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Get Kyle Lowry back, trade Bargnani and go 1-2 falconpunch with Lowry and Derozan.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:36 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Trade Lowry/Bargs for Bosh.

Get Vince Carter back.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:44 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:44 PM   #68 (permalink)
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how do you fix the raptors? you move them to a city in the states where the nba cares about them and then you make sure a massive hurricane goes through the city and destroys everything, the nba fixes the games for them because the city morale is so low by giving them the #1 draft pick who is some highlight reel player, he then becomes the nba's money maker, you put him in a dunk contest and tell him to jump over the hood of a low sports car and then put a million of the same youtube videos of him jumping over crap, dumb fans start falling in love with him and he's given every single foul call possible
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:03 PM   #69 (permalink)
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I'm calling a Wilson Chandler for Ross (+contracts) deal happening sometime in the next few weeks. "Hey we got Wilson Chandler!" has BC written all over it and this Raps season could be over by Dec 1st if he doesn't panic move trade right now.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:03 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Get Kyle Lowry back, trade Bargnani and go 1-2 falconpunch with Lowry and Derozan.
along these lines. Bargani has to go at least to the bench. If he can do what Kleiza did today, he can play a little.
It's a joy to watch Amir scramble on D, helping, recovering, knowing that Ed has his back for multiple possessions and vice versa.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:07 PM   #71 (permalink)
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your second paragraph actually had some sort of argument and evidence but it was nicely negated how you said you need to understand basketball (aka implying that I need to understand basketball and/or don't understand).

I understand what you're saying. Bargs can be inefficient, lazy, isn't that great a rebounder and can be an ok man2man defender. However, I do recognize that this team truly lacks in talent, like, a lot. Bargs, DD and Lowry are the only 3 options on offense. So, if Bargs goes, like you hope for, then another option needs to come back in return (preferably at SF). You talk about Jonas a lot but he still has a lot to learn on offense. Currently Jonas is a last or 4th option on offense. He was also underutilized substantially by both his Lithuanian team and the national team.

Hard work is great and all but without talent, depth, and defined roles, it is useless in the NBA. In Europe there is a lot more distribution of minutes, offense, etc meanwhile that is not the same in the nba.

Also, 'trane, sorry for making the first response/post, I didn't see your post until I had already posted mine. Also, this post is just a response to the response of the other post.
Yes yes i see, your mega star Bargnani lead us to incredible record 1-6. Who can we want more?
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:51 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Yes yes i see, your mega star Bargnani lead us to incredible record 1-6. Who can we want more?
Are you ok? seriously - my megastar??????????????????????????????????

I'm the farthest person from seeing Bargs as my megastar.

You really are one of those naked things people put on top of pencils (with fuzzy, stange, usually blue hair) in the '90s.
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Are you ok? seriously - my megastar??????????????????????????????????

I'm the farthest person from seeing Bargs as my megastar.

You really are one of those naked things people put on top of pencils (with fuzzy, stange, usually blue hair) in the '90s.
Don't bother he's an idiot
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along these lines. Bargani has to go at least to the bench. If he can do what Kleiza did today, he can play a little.
It's a joy to watch Amir scramble on D, helping, recovering, knowing that Ed has his back for multiple possessions and vice versa.
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Amir has always been a scrambler on D, helping and recovering, its got nothing to do with Ed
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:42 AM   #75 (permalink)
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Amir has always been a scrambler on D, helping and recovering, its got nothing to do with Ed
apart from that it's effective, but can be futile with AB instead of Ed?
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:52 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Was listening to Butch Carter on the FAN yesterday and he talked about centers and how you don't have to run as many plays for them, because if they're under the basket like they should be, every missed shot is a play for them. That's how Val, Amir and Ed Davis play. Bargnani will never be like that.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:56 AM   #77 (permalink)
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Was listening to Butch Carter on the FAN yesterday and he talked about centers and how you don't have to run as many plays for them, because if they're under the basket like they should be, every missed shot is a play for them. That's how Val, Amir and Ed Davis play. Bargnani will never be like that.
Maybe because he's a PF and not a C?
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:00 AM   #78 (permalink)
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Maybe because he's a PF and not a C?
Who plays like a SG.
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Keep Colangelo, Casey, Fields. Hope Casey figures out a workable rotation. Trade Bargnani and/or Jose by the deadline for a star at the 3, or if there's no move to be made, stick with this lineup and let it gel through the year.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:44 AM   #80 (permalink)
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If you want to fix the Raptors, you have to stop the crazy notion of firing this coach and firing this GM and getting this player and trading that player. Raptors organization has to change its way of thinking. In my humble opinion, the MLSE is nothing but a disaster zone, the MLSE has no clue of what is going on in the NBA. If you want to build a good team, it doesn not happen in a day and a night, it takes time, but you have to start in the right way. The MLSE always starts in the wrong way.
I will just give one example of how we start things in the wrong way. When we drafted AB, the guy used to play as a PF in Italy, we wanted him to play as a 5, so, it is taken for granted that you should have hired a special coach to train him - the same way other teams do with big guys -, this did not happen and AB could not reach his potential and he will not.
There are many reasons that this team is not achieving progress, but it all rotates around two factors : bad management and cheapness.
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