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Old 11-12-2012, 01:58 PM   #41 (permalink)
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with all due respect, lithuania now is in 5 place. Canada is in 26 place.
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I dont even start talk about economy, in one city Toronto live more people than in all Lithuania. But Lithuania beat USA dream team 2 times. So, more respect plz. I dont teach you about hockey, but about basketball we understund more. And now me verdict is Bargnani and derozan must go away from this team!
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:59 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Yes fire, or use amnesty. Bargnani and Derozan killing this team. I m from basketball country, we have more JV fan, than Toronto Raptors have fan in Canada.

canadian people understand about basketball in same level as Lithuanian people about ice hockey.

So get rid of Bargnani and Derozan but keep JV because he can do no wrong. I'm picking up a bit of a JV Fan homerism vibe here.

And how do you fire a player? This ain't european mafia league bro
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with all due respect, lithuania now is in 5 place. Canada is in 26 place.
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I dont even start talk about economy, in one city Toronto live more people than in all Lithuania. But Lithuania beat USA dream team 2 times. So, more respect plz. I dont teach you about hockey, but about basketball we understund more. And now me verdict is Bargnani and derozan must go away from this team!
ability and knowledge are mutually exclusive. More respect please. So unless DeRozan is the next Lebron James, Mike Brown would suck here too. Thank you, come again.
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with all due respect, lithuania now is in 5 place. Canada is in 26 place.
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I dont even start talk about economy, in one city Toronto live more people than in all Lithuania. But Lithuania beat USA dream team 2 times. So, more respect plz. I dont teach you about hockey, but about basketball we understund more. And now me verdict is Bargnani and derozan must go away from this team!
i'm going to ask rf members to just not respond to this. if it keeps up, i'll deal with it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:03 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Oi, for starters tell Bargs to stop jacking four three pointers per game. What is he, Dirk? A proper tough power forward is needed with a mid range game a la Duncan, Pau, Scola. At least half as good. With JV they could do some harm in the paint, at least I imagine so.

Also arrange an appointment between Fields and some shrink, so he gets his shit together. And in the off-season Derozan has to improve his long range. Then sign some quality free agents and draft a Durant.
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with all due respect, lithuania now is in 5 place. Canada is in 26 place.
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I dont even start talk about economy, in one city Toronto live more people than in all Lithuania. But Lithuania beat USA dream team 2 times. So, more respect plz. I dont teach you about hockey, but about basketball we understund more. And now me verdict is Bargnani and derozan must go away from this team!
First of all you just assume things bast on BS. And you are so stereotypical with no actual knowledge of what is really going on...
I lived in Lithuania for 18 years and now in Toronto, so no i do not need you to tell me what i do know about basketball in Lithuania and Canada.
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with all due respect, lithuania now is in 5 place. Canada is in 26 place.
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I dont even start talk about economy, in one city Toronto live more people than in all Lithuania. But Lithuania beat USA dream team 2 times. So, more respect plz. I dont teach you about hockey, but about basketball we understund more. And now me verdict is Bargnani and derozan must go away from this team!
No offence dude, but we actually know things about basketball on here. You think we're like Leafs fans (the ones who know nothing about basketball) who act like they know things about basketball. You talk about moving DD and Bargs. Ok, for what? why? how would the team improve? Please, provide some sort of argument and provide some sort of evidence to back up your claims and/or your argument.
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Oi, for starters tell Bargs to stop jacking four three pointers per game. What is he, Dirk? A proper tough power forward is needed with a mid range game a la Duncan, Pau, Scola. At least half as good. With JV they could do some harm in the paint, at least I imagine so.

Also arrange an appointment between Fields and some shrink, so he gets his shit together. And in the off-season Derozan has to improve his long range. Then sign some quality free agents and draft a Durant.
I don't think Bargnani is chucking three's this year, aside from the game in Dallas where he was more successfull inside, he has shot well from the 3.

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i'm going to ask rf members to just not respond to this. if it keeps up, i'll deal with it.
I see almost all Raptors game this season. In me option, Bargnani is wort big men defender and rebounder in league. I most alarming coaching decisions when Bargnani clearly tired are playing the fourth quarter. Why? If you put Ed Daves, you have much stronger defence. rebound and same atack as tired bargnani.
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I don't think Bargnani is chucking three's this year, aside from the game in Dallas where he was more successfull inside, he has shot well from the 3.

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His 3 pt % is .385 but so is his FG %.
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I see almost all Raptors game this season. In me option, Bargnani is wort big men defender and rebounder in league. I most alarming coaching decisions when Bargnani clearly tired are playing the fourth quarter. Why? If you put Ed Daves, you have much stronger defence. rebound and same atack as tired bargnani.
i don't care about the point. discuss all you want about the team and the players. but cut it out with posting as if our members (and our country) are ignorant about the sport.
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I don't think Bargnani is chucking three's this year, aside from the game in Dallas where he was more successfull inside, he has shot well from the 3.

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I have to agree with him on this one, he might not be chucking 3`s ,but shot selection overall is pretty bad..
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His 3 pt % is .385 but so is his FG %.
Well if he continues to shoot and make better shot selection like he has in the past 2 games, those numbers will elevate
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with all due respect, lithuania now is in 5 place. Canada is in 26 place.
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I dont even start talk about economy, in one city Toronto live more people than in all Lithuania. But Lithuania beat USA dream team 2 times. So, more respect plz. I dont teach you about hockey, but about basketball we understund more. And now me verdict is Bargnani and derozan must go away from this team!
so there's nobody is lithuania who DOESN'T know about bball and there's NOBODY in canada who DOES know a great deal!?

stupid.

and i'm gonna guess you're 1 of the lithuanian's who doesn't know much about the game.

edit: oops, sorry trane didn't see your request not to respond till after posting.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:21 PM   #55 (permalink)
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No offence dude, but we actually know things about basketball on here. You think we're like Leafs fans (the ones who know nothing about basketball) who act like they know things about basketball. You talk about moving DD and Bargs. Ok, for what? why? how would the team improve? Please, provide some sort of argument and provide some sort of evidence to back up your claims and/or your argument.
We can talk about small things, but you need understund basketball... Last season in Lithuania play Tay Lowson, Sonny Weems and we suck in europe league.

Now we dont have Tay Lowson, Weems or other NBA player. But we have hard working team, and we greatest team in Europe this season. Raptors dont need big name, every dude can score 20pts if shoot 30times in game. You need hard working team, you have very good rookie. So give him time, lets play. And teach how play in defence, in ofence. Now you can't learn Bargnani rebound more than 6 rbs per game. But you can teach JV to do 10 rbs per game. Do you understand me?

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Well if he continues to shoot and make better shot selection like he has in the past 2 games, those numbers will elevate
Im not talking about numbers his shots are not falling and i can forgive that, but what pisses me off is how ill-advised they are. He takes shots early on the clock, he settles for difficult low% shots. And if he has a bad day isn't a better idea to pass the ball to someone like DD, instead of throwing bricks?

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Im not talking about numbers his shots are not falling and i can forgive that, but what pisses me off is how ill-advised they are. He takes shots early on the clock, he settles for difficult low% shots. And if he has a bad day isn't a better idea to pass the ball to someone like DD, instead of throwing bricks?
Ya I guess, but what I'm saying is he's looked better offensively in the past 2 games, looks as if his shot is coming around. I didn't see him take any ill-advised shots, and he dunked the ball for the first time all season. That's a good sign!
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We can talk about small things, but you need understund basketball... Last season in Lithuania play Tay Lowson, Sonny Weems and we suck in europe league.

Now we dont have Tay Lowson, Weems or other NBA player. But we have hard working team, and we greatest team in Europe this season. Raptors dont need big name, every dude can score 20pts if shoot 30times in game. You need hard working team, you have very good rookie. So give him time, lets play. And teach how play in defence, in ofence. Now you can't learn Bargnani rebound more than 6 rbs per game. But you can teach JV to do 10 rbs per game. Do you understand me?

What works in Europe doesn't necessarily work in NBA and vice versa. Talent level is different. do i need to remind you olympics and what lebron did to Lithuania in the last minutes of the game?
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i don't care about the point. discuss all you want about the team and the players. but cut it out with posting as if our members (and our country) are ignorant about the sport.
Indeed, they are competent about the sport.
It is about food that they're completely ignorant.


On topic. You can't fix this team. There's nothing broken.
It is only a problem of focus.
We had games were 2nd unit looked pretty good, One game some players are good, another some other players are good and so on.
We just need to bring it all together and we'll be fine.
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Keep Colangelo, Casey, Fields. Hope Casey figures out a workable rotation. Trade Bargnani and/or Jose by the deadline for a star at the 3, or if there's no move to be made, stick with this lineup and let it gel through the year.
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