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jeffb 11-21-2012 12:03 PM

How would great organizations develop our young talent differently?
 
I'll take San Antonio as an example since they're pretty much the model NBA organization. If they had players like Ross, Valanciunas, Davis how do you think they would utilize them and would Valanciunas be playing the 4th quarters, geting vital learning experiences when it matters most? I look at the way they have developed Kawhi Leonard and wonder if they could do roughly the same with Ross. I question why we're not utilizing these players when it counts. Maybe not Ross late in games, but he should be getting a consistent 15-20mpg and know every game what his role is and when he's going to play, a defined role. There just seems to be no direction with Ross and even Davis. Their minutes are all over the place. As for Valanciunas, this is one guy you would think you'd want to develop even quicker than others and isn't the way to do so, playig in crunch time to gain that experience and learning to play under control when it matters most?

Whatever....thoughts?

TS13 11-21-2012 12:21 PM

Maybe, Raptors can get Jerry Sloan

thought 11-21-2012 12:31 PM

It comes down to role definition. The Spurs have an incredible system that carves out clear-cut roles. That way a guy like Kawhi Leonard is only responsible for rebounding, defending, and hitting the open three, and he can focus all of his energy there. Ross would look great in a Spurs uni (then again who wouldn't), and it's because he could focus strictly on doing one or two things really well (say defending and hitting the three), versus just going out there and being told to play. Like we're seeing Ross try to handle the ball and create for himself, things he can't do, and it's obvious that right now he's just way over his head.

The Spurs' system is perfect given where they draft every year. Guys in the late first round and early second round usually only have one or two high level skills anyways, so it makes it easier for them to swallow when they're told they're only going to be shooting the three, setting screens, etc. It's just great for a rookie who isn't sure what type of player he's going to be.

carp 11-21-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thought (Post 706930)
It comes down to role definition. The Spurs have an incredible system that carves out clear-cut roles. That way a guy like Kawhi Leonard is only responsible for rebounding, defending, and hitting the open three, and he can focus all of his energy there. Ross would look great in a Spurs uni (then again who wouldn't), and it's because he could focus strictly on doing one or two things really well (say defending and hitting the three), versus just going out there and being told to play. Like we're seeing Ross try to handle the ball and create for himself, things he can't do, and it's obvious that right now he's just way over his head.

The Spurs' system is perfect given where they draft every year. Guys in the late first round and early second round usually only have one or two high level skills anyways, so it makes it easier for them to swallow when they're told they're only going to be shooting the three, setting screens, etc. It's just great for a rookie who isn't sure what type of player he's going to be.

Agreed. It's why guys like Bonner, Blair and others look much more capable than our young guys. There is role definition and that also helps prioritize what skills a young player needs to improve as well.

ClingRap 11-21-2012 12:45 PM

They draft intelligently. I was watching Moneyball last night and thinking about the Spurs. They consistently draft guys that get overlooked and have a strong enough system to hide their initial deficiencies and play to their strengths. Eventually these guys grow, and in the case of Leonard, they trade an overlooked guy in Goerge Hill for someone who has all-star level talent for the future. They go on winning because Popovich and Buford are completely in step with what they want to do, and they understand the landscape in terms of how to thrive being the smallest of small market teams.
I think this team is going to be in the toilet with this playoff pipe dream. we'll be lucky to win 30 games this year.

carp 11-21-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ClingRap (Post 706934)
They draft intelligently. I was watching Moneyball last night and thinking about the Spurs. They consistently draft guys that get overlooked and have a strong enough system to hide their initial deficiencies and play to their strengths. Eventually these guys grow, and in the case of Leonard, they trade an overlooked guy in Goerge Hill for someone who has all-star level talent for the future. They go on winning because Popovich and Buford are completely in step with what they want to do, and they understand the landscape in terms of how to thrive being the smallest of small market teams.
I think this team is going to be in the toilet with this playoff pipe dream. we'll be lucky to win 30 games this year.

Agreed.... but there is also something to be said for having the patience to develop that system and familiarity. They've had Pop there for a long, long time now. We can't just hope for every new coach to be the saviour and keep dumping them after 2-3 years either. Also, I think this franchise got confused thinking certain depth players have more potential than they actually do. You can't expect that every player maximizes their potential.

Thug 11-21-2012 03:28 PM

Ed Davis would actually be given consistent minutes. I know that much.

ollyaaa 11-21-2012 03:54 PM

Very good points regarding Spurs.


I think another aspect is the fact great teams have players who are extremely good role models and examples of what it takes to be a success in the NBA.

I mean which of these players would be least likely to get on your back if you were slacking. Or set an great example regarding work ethic. See if you've got this skills to spot him in the list.

KG
Timmy D
Kobe
Lebron/Wade
CP3
KD
BARGS !!!!! LOL :police::police::police:
Dirk

I also think a frightening coach helps (Greg, Doc, Phil Jack)

FLO 11-21-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Thug (Post 706991)
Ed Davis would actually be given consistent minutes. I know that much.

I look at Ed Davis and I can't fathom why his minutes have been cut. He isn't doing anything terrible when he's on the floor. Yah, he's a limited player but he averages around a double-double in consistent 20-25 minutes and he's decent on the defensive side.

His development is being killed by Casey in favor of more veteran players. It's just very unfortunate.

MBailey85 11-21-2012 08:21 PM

Most teams build this way or try to.

1 Superstar/Cornerstone player (LeBron,Kobe,Durant,Rose,Duncan,Anthony,Wade,Dirk, et)
2 Complimetary players (Parker,Gasol,Harden,Westbrook,Gay,Deng,etc..)
2 Specialty players (Allen,Kidd,Randloph,Sefolosha,Ibaka,Evans,Noah,No vak etc..)
1 Key reserve player (Formerly Harden,Ginobli,Terry,Barbosa,JR Smith,Calderon,etc..)
5 Role players (Haslem,Diaw,Bonner,Battier,etc..)

A coach that compliments your superstar player should be hired and the team style should be catered around his strengths mostly.

THIS is the blueprint. A little,maybe a lot of luck is needed(especially in Free Agency) but it all starts from the draft,so teams have to capitolize after getting a good pick from a poor season.

The Raptors don't have any Superstars or Complimentay players. The closest to the latter of the two would be Lowry and then DeRozan. In my opinion they aren't fully there yet but even if you believe they are,a couple of Complimentary players behind NO superstar won't get you far in this league. Many people think Bargnani is a complimentary player but he's not,he's more of a specialty player or suited better as a key reserve. The Illusion that Bargs could be like Dirk(a bonafied Superstar) is what has held and set this team back.


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