How worry are we about JV's defense?

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View Poll Results: How good/bad defensively you think realistically JV will be in 7years
very bad defender 1 1.82%
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average defender 8 14.55%
good defender 28 50.91%
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just making this thread to see your opinions. JV seem to have all the tools to be a good defender in the future, but will he? Right now his defense is quite bad. I think he got a little better but he has to learn many things.

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Old 03-18-2013, 10:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He has the tools to be very good. Too much wasted movement and energy right now. Once he gets more comfortable with the speed of the game, he'll be able to anchor a defense.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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he just needs to bulk up to take the beating, get used to the NBA style of the opponents, and he'll pick up less silly fouls, and if Amir has shown us anything he just needs more years in the NBA and the refs will stop calling those "no name player" fouls on him
I think the most important things he needs to develop on D for this team is shot blocking presence and consistent rebounding
if he can Amir can be rebounding anchors we'll do well for ourselves
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I just laugh at people comparing him to Noah/KG level defensive players right now, acting as if all of these defensive monsters came into the league from day 1 and played astonishing defence. Obviously he's not on their level in his rookie year because he hasn't had multiple years of experience at the pro level. Any poster who makes this comparison as if he's not going to get any better on defence and act as if some of these guys always played this good defensively should be banned for stupidity.

I think he'll be Marc Gasol like on defence, in being able to contest multiple shots every game, maybe not with the shot blocking, but just with his length and mobility in being able to jump straight up without fouling, and recover without hacking.

Many of the screen rolls that turn into dunks for his man aren't his fault. When he hedges to the guard, there should be someone coming to cover his man long enough for him to recover and get back, and unfortunately for JV this seems to happen a lot where there is no rotation for easy scores on a simple screen roll. You dont see this with good defensive teams.

To sum it up, JV has all of the tools to become a defensive anchor like M Gasol or what Bogut used to be. He's got very good mobility, he's got good IQ, and he already has good technique in jumping straight up and using his length. I'm not worried at all.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:58 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Youre think Demar is good defender, or Lowry, or Gay? Noooo. For the JV, This team has no rotation on the defence.
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I just laugh at people comparing him to Noah/KG level defensive players right now, acting as if all of these defensive monsters came into the league from day 1 and played astonishing defence. Obviously he's not on their level in his rookie year because he hasn't had multiple years of experience at the pro level. Any poster who makes this comparison as if he's not going to get any better on defence and act as if some of these guys always played this good defensively should be banned for stupidity.

I think he'll be Marc Gasol like on defence, in being able to contest multiple shots every game, maybe not with the shot blocking, but just with his length and mobility in being able to jump straight up without fouling, and recover without hacking.

Many of the screen rolls that turn into dunks for his man aren't his fault. When he hedges to the guard, there should be someone coming to cover his man long enough for him to recover and get back, and unfortunately for JV this seems to happen a lot where there is no rotation for easy scores on a simple screen roll. You dont see this with good defensive teams.

To sum it up, JV has all of the tools to become a defensive anchor like M Gasol or what Bogut used to be. He's got very good mobility, he's got good IQ, and he already has good technique in jumping straight up and using his length. I'm not worried at all.
The comparison to Noah (or even Amir) is a good one. Both of these guys had their struggles defensively in their 1st few seasons. Now they're beasts. Bogut is actually rounding into form again too these days, getting back to what he used to be.

JV will be fine. Another 20lbs or so would help him a great deal too. And once those "rookie calls" start to go away.... look out.
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I actually think that he hasn't done too bad on the defensive side of the ball & I believe much of the front court bad rotations on defense are attributed to what I would call the AB hang over. Amir is so used to not having help defense that he doesn't help on JV's man.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:11 AM   #9 (permalink)
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the JV and Barg combination early on is bad simply because Barg is too lazy on defense so JV has to do it on his own add to that refs calling lots of stupid fouls against JV simple because his a rook

after the injury i think he has improve and will keep improving, the calls against him are also getting better, i just hope Barg will not be here next year he such a liability that the other big man has to carry his load
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I'm not the least bit worried.
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I'm not the least bit worried.
Agreed. There wasn't this much worry about a Marc Gasol or a Tyson Chandler, who both took several years to develop..... as most do.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I watched a few Euroleague games, lots of zone defenses. I guess that doesn't help in the defensive make-up of players. With the Raps against Cavs, it was Leo or Jack that pointed out for Demar to attack Waiters every time. Waiters played in Syracuse zone defense for several years.
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Revisit this when he's 23.
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I would disagree with the assessment, after he returned from injury I thought he's been quite improved which shows great promise. With his size, agility and energy, he could become an elite defender down the road.
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Revisit this when he's 23.
I'd almost say revisit this when he's 25 or even 27
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I'd almost say revisit this when he's 25 or even 27
If he takes 6-7 years to develop his defensive skills people will be calling for his head on a plate well before that.

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Old 03-19-2013, 06:38 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I actually don't have much of an issue with our D in general, there really isn't even an individual or 2 that I constantly see messing up when he really shouldn't be, obviously everyone is going to say Bargs but even then he isn't really messing up the D but not showing enough hustle, for the most part everyone is playing there part and there's obviously going to be some mistakes here and there
i just look at the massive improvements we've already made in the last couple seasons, i don't know the numbers but i can assume we're probably middle of the pack which is OK for me
i mean if we can be at the top of the league that would be best but i'm assuming with middle of the pack numbers it just means there are other more pressing issues, i actually think our offense is more of an issue, we rely a lot of our "fastbreak" which is fun way to play but a dangerous way to succeed because fastbreaks aren't guaranteed, we don't really know where our offense will come from each game, yes rudy is now here but even his inconsistent shot makes it an unknown every game
i always think fixing the inconsistencies is better than trying to improve stuff that isn't that bad overall, at least with average D you know what you're getting and you get used to working around that, you can't get used to inconsistent offense
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I'd almost say revisit this when he's 25 or even 27

Val at 26 will remind people of Bill Walton.
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