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Old 12-11-2013, 12:54 AM   #21 (permalink)
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overrated. nobody on this team is untouchable.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:57 AM   #22 (permalink)
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We should've drafted Dwyane Wade.
And Lamarcus Aldridge
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:08 AM   #23 (permalink)
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To early lets see more post Rudy action. How can a big man preform with limited minutes and random touches when his wings only run Iso's plus no ball movement. They try to feed him in the first half and regardless of if he gets a double double or shoots 30% he doesn't get the same amount of touches in the second half. I think he realizes he is playing a more important roll now and his confidence is going to grow. Did pretty well against Timmy.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:36 AM   #24 (permalink)
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And Lamarcus Aldridge
nah, rondo would've been better.

we should've drafted iggy
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:54 AM   #25 (permalink)
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To early lets see more post Rudy action. How can a big man preform with limited minutes and random touches when his wings only run Iso's plus no ball movement. They try to feed him in the first half and regardless of if he gets a double double or shoots 30% he doesn't get the same amount of touches in the second half. I think he realizes he is playing a more important roll now and his confidence is going to grow. Did pretty well against Timmy.
He was banging down mid-range shots and looked really confident.
Then he just disappeared. All of sudden I'm seeing Daye missing layups.

I'll just continue to cry.
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Old 12-11-2013, 03:31 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Bruce Bowen said keep him, so keep him.
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:51 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Don't forget he's 21. Prohibit him from going to the national team, that's just a waste of time. He needs to hit the gym and learn some offensive moves and a jump shot in the off-season.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:33 AM   #28 (permalink)
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nah, rondo would've been better.

we should've drafted iggy
Yea I agree, Rondo would have been better. At the time though, Aldridge would have been an a much safer pick. Nobody expects a team to pick a guy projected late in the first round at number one.

And yea. That Hoffa pick set us back pretty bad.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:42 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm a JV fan, but I'm certainly not convinced that he should be untouchable.

Love his work ethnic, but he does seem to fade ... not sure if it's stamina and all the BB he played over the summer ... but damn he is only 21.

I think he can become a solid Centre and maybe an All Star, but his path will not be fast.
He lacks athleticism and it makes it tough for guards to find him around or over the rim. He needs to learn the tricky moves of a smart centre like Duncan vs power and flight. This will take time.
The other thing that I haven't been impressed with is his general court awareness is just average .... when you lack pure hops / athleticism, it's your BB IQ that must prevail. It's really this part on why I don't see him getting to All Star level as a guarantee.
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:02 AM   #30 (permalink)
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untouchable.
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Old 12-11-2013, 08:01 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Even though I have shown many times a ton of support for him, he still really needs to work on his post game and needs to get in better shape because he gets gassed way too easy. He is definitely part of the future, but by no means should he or anyone else on this team be untouchable.
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Old 12-11-2013, 08:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Wow.

Since most of this thread appears to be primarily negative, let me try to bring some positivity to it.

a. Yeah, he's reacting slowly defensively, BUT he's also learning to be the last line of defence back there. He's willing to throw his body around and challenge the shot and he does it with some success.

b. Yeah, he looks winded, BUT he's also sometimes the only guy running hard back on D and then running hard on O. He's a 7 ft'r with a wide frame doing this.

c. The guy is 21, who has shown flashes of the player that he can become and has a legitimate track record in his age of being dominant. How many 21 y.o. legit C's can say that? How long did it take Tyson Chandler to put it all together? Patience is a virtue.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again, go back to early Roy Hibbert tapes and he was terrible. He was terrible runner, he was uncoordinated both offensively (kinda still is) and defensively. If you compared them both at age 21, Val is/was miles ahead. And Hibbert right now is possibly the best defensive C in the league (next to Gasol).

If we develop Val properly (key word, with right positional coaching and most importantly, providing him experience), he has the ability to be top 3 in his position. And guess what, having a 5 who can be dominant both offensively and defensively for stretches of a game wins you not only games, but gives you a chance at a Championship.

We need to have patience. Like I said earlier, if you deal him, you're simply creating another void that will have to be filled later on.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:09 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Untouchable's a silly concept. There's a right price for everyone.

I doubt we get offered said right price, though. It's pretty high in my books.

Would have to be a top 6 pick (trade occuring after the lotto) in this year's draft, or one heck of a young player coming back.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:23 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Do you think he is untouchable? & if so to what extent?
Touchable but less so than Chandler Parsons



or Carlos Delfino



As to the extent, everything above the waist is safe, IMO.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I'd hate to see another Roy Hibbert situation.

We need to hold onto JV indefinitely.
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Old 12-11-2013, 03:04 PM   #36 (permalink)
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To elaborate on Claudius' point about Hibbert - that dude regressed and was pretty bad through most of last season. There are going to be ups and downs along the way to becoming a cinch as an impact player.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:50 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Is he untouchable - no, but he's the closest rap to being untouchable.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:56 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Untouchable unless the offer is a no doubter. Gotta give young guys years to develop and see their fit in your system. Remember all the Paul George rumours in his 2nd year? He's a top-5 player now.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:59 PM   #39 (permalink)
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he's untouchable because there's no way you get fair value for him. If by unotuchable you mean he's a potential cornestone (the HOF level kind), I have serious doubts. If I'm offered the #1 pick this draft, I'd take it and most people would. So in that sense, he's not "untouchable". I would also trade him for another young player like Davis or Drummond.

I would not trade him for an established second tier star though, guys like Gasol, Harden or Aldridge since that would be pointless at our point in the rebuild. Give me George or Durant or Lebron and we have a deal
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:55 PM   #40 (permalink)
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b. Yeah, he looks winded, BUT he's also sometimes the only guy running hard back on D and then running hard on O. He's a 7 ft'r with a wide frame doing this.
I disagree he's running back hard a lot. But ok.

This brings me to a point that I have never understood about the NBA. Why do we make our 7' big, run back, in bound the ball and then run up ahead of the point guard (after we give up a bucket). This never made any sense to me and why almost any other player doesn't in bound the ball? It can't be height that is the factor hear because it makes no sense anymore.
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