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Dr. J. Naismith 08-26-2008 09:51 AM

How should Raptors fans look at JO this season?
 
Let's change the focus for a bit instead of debating Bosh till we're blue in the face. Scott Carefoot did a little piece this morning regarding Jermaine and gave his opinions on how he looks at the acquisition of O'Neal to the Raptors. I know most of us have already debated this once the trade was completed a couple months back, but since then have had new members join and some people's opinions on Jermaine have changed and if so what are your feelings now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Carefoot
Some people have been quick to dismiss Jermaine O'Neal as "washed up" even though he'll only be 30 years old entering the 2008-09 season. I guess four straight injury-plagued seasons and three straight seasons with significant decline in performance will lead to that kind of assessment.

So how are Raptors fans supposed to look at this? Do we do our duty as good little optimists and expect he'll play in 70-plus games and return to the form that made him the best player on a 61-win team in 2003-04? (That team admittedly also featured Reggie Miller, Ron Artest and Primoz Brezec — Oh Primoz, we hardly knew ye!) Or should we guard our expectations and expect he'll probably only be available for half the season and will be Gimpy the Center for the other half? (Just to save you the math, that would work out to about a half-milli per game for JO.)

I recommend looking at it the way I look at it — as a roll of the dice. Bryan Colangelo looked at his roster and at T.J. Ford's trade value and determined that he was willing to risk coming up snake eyes for the possibility that O'Neal could provide that definitive post presence this team so desperately needed.

Whether you're a skeptic or a true believer, O'Neal will still be one of the five best players to ever put on a Raptors uniform (well, one of the six best if we include Kornel David's brief but illustrious Raptor tour of duty) and he's the best of those five that the Raptors have ever acquired in a trade. Oh sure, you could point out that they also traded for Olajuwon, but Hakeem wasn't just past his prime, he drove a motorized scooter on to the court during player intros.

The good news is that it shouldn't take long to determine what O'Neal has in the tank. If he's healthy (as the Raptors medical staff claims he is) and motivated (which he naturally claims he is), his impact on defence and rebounding will be felt immediately in both personal stats and wins. As for the wait until we get to actually see him in a Raptors uniform? Well, that already feels like eternity.

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MikeToronto 08-26-2008 10:17 AM

With both eyes wide open? ;)

Benzo 08-26-2008 10:23 AM

Piss poor poll Doc, should be a few more options...but your a rookie, I will let it slide and participate.

JO will be a porn star for us. Just might be the best player on our team.

CourtVision 08-26-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzo (Post 52348)
Piss poor poll Doc, should be a few more options...but your a rookie, I will let it slide and participate.

I have to agree with this statement but, I think he will play half the season and be a gimp for the rest.

Snooch 08-26-2008 10:31 AM

with love in there eyes....

Belsius 08-26-2008 11:02 AM

he will be good, and even though his scoring may be down he will do a great defensive job. He will actually become a better teamplayer since the bad experience in past seasons will have matured him.

Ugo Ferst 08-26-2008 12:57 PM

He will take way too many jump shots and raptors fans will be shocked at his lack of an offensive inside game.

He will bring a defensive intensity that we have been lacking and make other players accountable on D, raising our overall defensive level signifigantly.

12ppg, 8rbg, 1.5 assist and .3 blocks.

Superjudge 08-26-2008 01:08 PM

I'd like someone to;

1) Explain his injury situation, and how it could possibly prove declininng health.

2) Explain how it's possible to predict that he not only couldn't rehab a meniscus tear, but is incapable of playing more than 40 games.



Before you start, just know that nothing short of a very clear and concise set of answers, both outlining the players ACTUAL injury history, and case studies for other athletes having had the same injuries..... I'll start you off.... he sprained an ankle really bad, then tore a meniscus..... so I took care of the only actual injuries he's had...... now, please do, explain to me why he is a shoe in to be both a lemon, and a regular on the I.R.


This should be rich.

INSIDER 08-26-2008 01:15 PM

i'm actually very afraid.
i was against this trade originally (due to his health concerns), but then grew to love it...
the reason i grew in favor of it was because of the 'hope' that he will return to his glory days and be the player we've seen him be for years in Indy. if he can, we go further than ever before!

but i voted 'i cant make up my mind'... the reason i'm on the fence is because i had that same 'hope' with a certain Hakeem Olajuwon....
i know the cases are alot different, but it feels frighteningly similar to me.

Superjudge 08-26-2008 01:22 PM

Hakeem was way done though. Way done.

And it ain't the Raptor Doctors saying he's looking wicked in Vegas, it's the coaches, teammates and opposing players, they all say he's back with vengeance.

Gurk 08-26-2008 01:46 PM

Wow that's nice to hear. Hopefully he can be just what the raps need in the middle

jeffb 08-26-2008 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benzo (Post 52348)
Piss poor poll Doc, should be a few more options...but your a rookie, I will let it slide and participate.

JO will be a porn star for us. Just might be the best player on our team.


He's #3 IMO, behind CB4/Calderon.

jeffb 08-26-2008 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 52380)
I'd like someone to;

1) Explain his injury situation, and how it could possibly prove declininng health.

2) Explain how it's possible to predict that he not only couldn't rehab a meniscus tear, but is incapable of playing more than 40 games.



Before you start, just know that nothing short of a very clear and concise set of answers, both outlining the players ACTUAL injury history, and case studies for other athletes having had the same injuries..... I'll start you off.... he sprained an ankle really bad, then tore a meniscus..... so I took care of the only actual injuries he's had...... now, please do, explain to me why he is a shoe in to be both a lemon, and a regular on the I.R.


This should be rich.

The answer is wait and see.Nobody knows (even JO) if he's healed for the long term or if his inujury(s) will flare up again down the road.Especilally when talking about a knee injury on an aging Big man.It's a wait and see aproach,for me at least.Predictions from anyone are just that, "predictions".And saying he'll be healthy for the next 8 years or saying he'll only play 40 games this season is all BS.It's a crap shoot.There just isn't a clear argument for either side of this issue.The Raptors took some risk in this deal and let's hope it pays off.

Benzo 08-26-2008 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 52397)
The answer is wait and see.Nobody knows (even JO) if he's healed for the long term or if his inujury(s) will flare up again down the road.Especilally when talking about a knee injury on an aging Big man.It's a wait and see aproach,for me at least.Predictions from anyone are just that, "predictions".And saying he'll be healthy for the next 8 years or saying he'll only play 40 games this season is all BS.It's a crap shoot.There just isn't a clear argument for either side of this issue.The Raptors took some risk in this deal and let's hope it pays off.

Will you conceide that the knee issue can be classified by a doctor as 100% repaired.

Superjudge 08-26-2008 02:34 PM

Jeff, your answer is not sufficient.

A knee injury can no longer be classified and served up as "a knee injury on a big man".

It's apple and oranges when it comes to injuries, a Microfracture is not a meniscus, which is not a torn MCL/ACL, which is not a Patellar fracture etc.

LX 08-26-2008 03:57 PM

I don't see how he won't have a nice impact on the defense no matter what condition he's in. Last year he played a big role on a pretty weak defensive team, and on one leg. He didn't have to sit games out, but was wise to, and we should reap the benefits.

Kirby 08-27-2008 12:08 AM

Guys he's in his fucking prime, give him a break. He just took half a year off to rehab and won't be scoring 12..It'll be up.. Give him a break. He's fully healed and will do better than he ever did.(Disregard stats)
He's no VC, no Grant Hill, no question mark of a star..
Also at Ugo, he did better than that crap on 1 leg..On 2, I think he'll be able to double it. Not necessarily 24 and 12 but better.


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