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0-32 1 2.33%
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50-55 9 20.93%
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Old 09-05-2009, 07:33 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 09-05-2009, 09:31 PM   #42 (permalink)
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We have a lot of work to do to prove that we can defend. When was the last time a Raptors team could defend? Without a big improvement in that area, we could really struggle again. So, anything better than .500 is pretty damn good, imo.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:34 PM   #43 (permalink)
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We have a lot of work to do to prove that we can defend. When was the last time a Raptors team could defend? Without a big improvement in that area, we could really struggle again. So, anything better than .500 is pretty damn good, imo.
Improvement shouldn't be difficult since we've been so bad defensively for so long. There's nowhere to go but up. And additions of Evans, Wright, Jack, Johnson, Rasho should go a long way to improvements on the defensive end. We're not a top 10 team on defence, but imo we improved on both ends of the floor so we should certainly be over .500. But as they say, time will tell.
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Improvement shouldn't be difficult since we've been so bad defensively for so long. There's nowhere to go but up. And additions of Evans, Wright, Jack, Johnson, Rasho should go a long way to improvements on the defensive end. We're not a top 10 team on defence, but imo we improved on both ends of the floor so we should certainly be over .500. But as they say, time will tell.
Well, if Triano is even half as crappy a coach as so many people think, we don't stand a chance of making all these new bodies mesh.

I happen to think he's a damn fine coach, and if we do somehow manage to get things working smoothly in a reasonable time frame, he deserves a lot of credit.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:52 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Well, if Triano is even half as crappy a coach as so many people think, we don't stand a chance of making all these new bodies mesh.

I happen to think he's a damn fine coach, and if we do somehow manage to get things working smoothly in a reasonable time frame, he deserves a lot of credit.

I don't know about all of that, since he has Iavaroni, Alvin and a few others to help him. But to a degree he'll certainly deserve some credit. Main thing going in is making sure everyone is on the same page and knows where they stand with what their roles are, especially the bench.

Jose, Turkoglu, Bosh, Bargs all know their roles.

But guys like Derozan, Wright, Jack, Belinelli, Evans will need to know exactly what their roles are and buy into it. There needs to be a clear plan going into the season with these players. I don't really see that as being too difficult because i think most of these players know they aren't going to start.
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I don't know about all of that, since he has Iavaroni, Alvin and a few others to help him.
If things go wrong..... Jay will be the one taking the heat. So, if it goes well, he deserves the credit.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:59 PM   #47 (permalink)
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If things go wrong..... Jay will be the one taking the heat. So, if it goes well, he deserves the credit.
The sad part is the coach takes the heat when things go bad. Then again it's like that in every sport. The fact is though BC has brought in coaches around him to help especially on the defensive end. But if we win 45-50 games BC will get most of the credit, which in a way is well deserved but the coaching staff should be there as well, just like Sam in the 06-07 season.
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:06 AM   #48 (permalink)
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raptors have to go beyond the 47 game season and really put some good numbers.. There is no reason as to why they shouldn't. The coaching staff and the players in this organization can easily be top 5 in the league. Raptors should play like a top5 team in the league. Anything less than that I will be disappointed. BC has done a great job and I cant see what else can the guy do. he put together a strong team....our bench is strong...and jay triano has to really push the guys and thats something he is good at. I remember when he broke the clipboard and when he almost threw the ball at rondo...He is a tough coach but can he be a smart coach...
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:08 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Whatever the outcome this year I just hope that people will start to realize that there's more to a coach than his win/loss record.

Ego management... playcalling... bench development... rotation patterns.... matchups... in-game adjustments.... all of these things come in to play.

I didn't think that Sam was particularly effective in those areas based on what I saw... while Triano was/is.

Now that Triano is no longer handicapped by a lame duck roster I expect big things out of this team.

He (like Bosh) has no where to hide this season. It's put up or shut up time....

I happen to think that he'll put up though.
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:28 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Ego management... playcalling... bench development... rotation patterns.... matchups... in-game adjustments.... all of these things come in to play.

I didn't think that Sam was particularly effective in those areas based on what I saw... while Triano was/is.

Well, i don't think Triano has proven much in most of those areas. Sam on the other hand was good a developping/managing players imo but his in-game adjustments some of his play calling were at times questionable. Overall i liked Sam Mitchell and as a young coach i thought he did a good job while he was here with what he had. Jay Triano now has a better, deeper team then any of the rosters Sam ever had, so let's see if Jay can accomplish something special with this roster ala the 06-07 season and maybe win a round in the playoffs.

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Old 09-06-2009, 12:35 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Well, i don't think Triano has proven much in most of those areas. Sam on the other hand was good a developping/managing players imo but his in-game adjustments some of his play calling were at times questionable. Overall i liked Sam Mitchell and as a young coach i thought he did a good job while he was here with what he had. Jay Triano now has a better, deeper team then any of the rosters Sam ever had, so let's see if Jay can accomplish something special with this roster ala the 06-07 season and maybe win a round in the playoffs.
Alot of people dont show the respect sam deserves. Being a rookie coach and having a COach of the year under his belt thats impressive. only 30 coaches have got coach of the year award and there have been over 10000 of coaches the past 30 seasons. Sam did a great job...i think if sam had this roaster he would have done major damage ..may be taken it to the finals...he did a 47 two seasons ago...
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Alot of people dont show the respect sam deserves. Being a rookie coach and having a COach of the year under his belt thats impressive. only 30 coaches have got coach of the year award and there have been over 10000 of coaches the past 30 seasons. Sam did a great job...i think if sam had this roaster he would have done major damage ..may be taken it to the finals...he did a 47 two seasons ago...
are you serious how so by benching bargani everytime he misses a shot or by giving Bosh da ball and only Bosh i think deres a reason hes still out of work
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Old 09-06-2009, 02:32 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I agree. We're significantly better than our 47 win team of three years ago. Bosh, Calderon and Bargs are all significantly better players if they stay healthy, than back than. Depth of bench is of much better quality and coaching significantly more professional also. If the conference was as weak as three years ago, this team would of won over 55. Only way i can see less than 50 is if Bosh or Calderon go down for extended periods.
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are you serious how so by benching bargani everytime he misses a shot or by giving Bosh da ball and only Bosh i think deres a reason hes still out of work
Bosh thrived under Sam Mitchell, Charlie V came in second for ROY under Sam Mitchell, Jose developped into a near All-Star under Sam Mitchell, Andrea was given alot of playing time in his Rookie season and was 2nd for ROY voting. Then he struggled in his second season and found it difficult to get minutes at times (rightfully so at times).

Sam Mitchell in his third season as coach guided us to 47 wins and our only division title with mostly a bunch of nobody's and won the only COTY award in our history. I respect what he did for this team. He did all this and Triano has proven nothing yet Triano gets more respect and the benefit of the doubt all the time even though he's proven nothing at the NBA level. Sam never had this kind of talent, and so if Triano doesn't get 45-47 wins and get us out of the 1st round this season will be a failure imo. Sam Mitchell was far from perfect and he had his flaws as a coach but he deserves a little more respect then he gets around here. Oh well, maybe if he was Canadian?
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raptors have to go beyond the 47 game season and really put some good numbers.. There is no reason as to why they shouldn't. The coaching staff and the players in this organization can easily be top 5 in the league. Raptors should play like a top5 team in the league. Anything less than that I will be disappointed. BC has done a great job and I cant see what else can the guy do. he put together a strong team....our bench is strong...and jay triano has to really push the guys and thats something he is good at. I remember when he broke the clipboard and when he almost threw the ball at rondo...He is a tough coach but can he be a smart coach...
Thank you, you took all of my words out of my mouth. We have potential. The only problem I see is defense. It's good but it has to be great.
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Like Jeffb said earlier...just making the playoffs is a failure...going to second round would be exceptional and than jay can keep his job....and the goal should be 50+ wins...beyond second round..and a happy roaster ..which means chris Bosh has to see potential...
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Bosh thrived under Sam Mitchell, Charlie V came in second for ROY under Sam Mitchell, Jose developped into a near All-Star under Sam Mitchell, Andrea was given alot of playing time in his Rookie season and was 2nd for ROY voting. Then he struggled in his second season and found it difficult to get minutes at times (rightfully so at times).

Sam Mitchell in his third season as coach guided us to 47 wins and our only division title with mostly a bunch of nobody's and won the only COTY award in our history. I respect what he did for this team. He did all this and Triano has proven nothing yet Triano gets more respect and the benefit of the doubt all the time even though he's proven nothing at the NBA level. Sam never had this kind of talent, and so if Triano doesn't get 45-47 wins and get us out of the 1st round this season will be a failure imo. Sam Mitchell was far from perfect and he had his flaws as a coach but he deserves a little more respect then he gets around here. Oh well, maybe if he was Canadian?
i stand corrected but still dont think he would have been good enough to take us to da finals
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Old 09-06-2009, 05:54 PM   #59 (permalink)
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We *should* win about 38. I say that in a minimum sense. Barring a Bosh injury we have no excuse to fall below that number.

I think 40 sounds about right for where we *will* land
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