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cloudnine 01-16-2012 08:00 PM

How is DeMar This Limited?
 
I've been trying to figure out why I really have taken a dislike to DeMar's game recently, and I think it's because, well, he has none to speak of.

Hear me out; he has almost literally no offensive repertoire. He has no developed triple-threat game whatsoever. I see none of the great footwork/jab-step/repertoire of fakes for iso situations that a player like him should have begun developing by now. All he seems to be efficient at are curling shots off screens, and all he seems to want to take outside of those are badly-squared long twos.

For someone who is as athletic as he is, he has no first step to speak of (or refuses to use it). He can't take his man off the dribble even when they are clearly not up to the task of guarding him. When I went to the Timberwolves game, he was being guarded by JJ Barea - and refused/could not take advantage of the mismatch. Seriously, JJ freakin' Barea. Barea is a quick little guy but there is NO reason DeMar couldn't have used step-back jumpers or other offensive moves to completely abuse him. He seemed to have no confidence that he could, either, and when teammates would spot the obvious mismatch he would just pass the ball back to them after holding it for a couple of seconds.

It's not like he's great off the ball, either.

It stuns me that a guy who grew up in southern California watching another 6'6 210-ish shooting guard play ball in LA has these types of problems.

This guy better watch some tape of his betters or I'm going to lose patience. Third-year or not, he shows zero IQ when it comes to beating his man or how to take advantage of a defender.

pzabby 01-16-2012 08:13 PM

its a good post, except you're forgetting about one key point.
Demar's handling severely limits his aggresiveness/first step/triple threat. you can be usaine bolt but if you can't handle the ball at those speeds and be able to take a roughing up the speed will be useless in basketball. Demar's young, give him time.

jj33 01-16-2012 08:31 PM

I don't know what's wrong with him, he is supposed to be the best player while Bargs out!!
He played to much summer league games and he thought it's gonna be easy like that! Athletic like he is, I rarely see him dunk in traffic, hell just dunk!

carp 01-16-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jj33 (Post 601188)
I don't know what's wrong with him, he is supposed to be the best player while Bargs out!!
He played to much summer league games and he thought it's gonna be easy like that! Athletic like he is, I rarely see him dunk in traffic, hell just dunk!

He seems to lack the explosiveness to dunk in traffic. Maybe it's his slow first step that has the defense able to rotate in front of him....

ha123 01-16-2012 08:57 PM

Besides his vertical leap, his athleticism is pretty overrated imo. He is not quick at all, his moves are slow. He just needs to do what he does best, which is getting to the free throw line.

Oh ya and he needs to stop trying to be like kobe. Seriously, I know its his favourite player and all but he tries wayy to hard to be like him.

I would know since i try to copy kobe's moves on the court as well! :cookie:

js12 01-16-2012 10:00 PM

Too much jump shots in my opinion. Like ha123 posted, he needs to be more aggressive and look to draw fouls. To be honest, I expected some drop off in DeMar's game this season. Most young players, and not just basketball, struggle after a period of success. I think it's because they try to do too much.

moremilk 01-16-2012 11:45 PM

handling was his main issue from the rookie year
he made some progress in year 2 (but mostly because he was so absolutely horrible in his first), but he's still very bad. I think there are PFs that handle the ball better than derozan.

that being said, he did improve his shooting considerably, so as long as he understands he needs to work now a lot more on other aspects and less on his jumpshot, this could be a blessing in disguise. We might be able to extend him a lot cheaper if BC is willing to gamble on DD's work ethic to keep him with the plan once he gets guaranteed money.

0nekhmer 01-17-2012 12:21 AM

i would say it's his BBall IQ + Caseys new offense(or lack of) is holding Demar back the most. Handling can help but having great footwork and body control is A LOT more important.

Ammo 01-17-2012 12:29 AM

Poor guy (other than the millions). He should be worried about developing his game, not carrying a team. He was behind from the start. I remember one of the coaches saying he came in and asked, "Can you teach me to play this game?" They all have to learn, just seems he has a longer curve to deal with.

Blaze 01-17-2012 12:30 AM

I said it before and I'll say it again without good ball handling and shooting he can never be elite. He's developed a shot, so he can also develop a handles. However this was not ass big a problem in the past because in Triano's offence he would get a lot of easy baskets. I've also said this before but Casey's offence makes Demar a spot up shooter since he can't create off the dribble. Also teams have taken notice of him this year and are doubling more on the catch and especially on the penetration. Calderon's game doesn't help Demar's game either because he does not drive and kick but instead uses the pick and role, which almost always has Demar just camped out in the corner.

Gohnny 01-17-2012 12:39 AM

why do our athletic dunkers think theyre great shooters? demar, sonny, moon, jones :cookie:

J-Bo 01-17-2012 12:52 AM

He's not tenacious enough (lacking rebounds, fta, steals, blocks) and his handles aren't the greatest...If he improves his mentality and improve on his weakness (which he is gradually) he's gonna end up real good.

Beesh 01-17-2012 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ha123 (Post 601192)
Besides his vertical leap, his athleticism is pretty overrated imo. He is not quick at all, his moves are slow. He just needs to do what he does best, which is getting to the free throw line.

Oh ya and he needs to stop trying to be like kobe. Seriously, I know its his favourite player and all but he tries wayy to hard to be like him.

I would know since i try to copy kobe's moves on the court as well! :cookie:

haha this is true. From the way he shoot, to his freethrows, very kobe like. Not sure if it's he attended too many kobe camps but he needs to find his own game.
He moves very well without the ball, but he's def not a one on one player,doesn't have the quickness to go up against other guards imo.

rapsmannn 01-17-2012 04:54 AM

well demar is a mid range spot up guy who can dunk the ball

he doesn't defend well, he cant dribble hte ball which is critical to any great SG, he can't go one on one

watchign demar derozan is not fun,

at the beginning of the season media members and some fans were callling him our franchise type player,

i wonder now if he is a viable 3rd option on a good team

i just hope he can find his game again, especially for the long term development of the raptors, we've committed some serious minutes and development time into him

carp 01-17-2012 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammo (Post 601227)
Poor guy (other than the millions). He should be worried about developing his game, not carrying a team. He was behind from the start. I remember one of the coaches saying he came in and asked, "Can you teach me to play this game?" They all have to learn, just seems he has a longer curve to deal with.

That's why playing time isn't always the best thing for a kid.....Demar would have benefited from another year in school, with less game time and more time to work on his skills and learn the fundamentals there. Being thrust into a man's league had him just trying to keep up well before he was ready.

Renihan_00 01-17-2012 09:43 AM

Honestly, he's like me when I try to play basketball.

Am I faster and more athletic than most guys? Yes.

Do I have a great jumper? No.

Do I have great handles? No.

So it's REALLY hard to do much offensively for a guy like me so I usually just cause trouble/set picks/ cut to the basket and I try to create transition plays .

You can't get by people easily enough because they can give you some room because they don't have to tightly contest the jumper.

So unless you have great handles, your athleticism is limited as your ball handling abilities and it's hard to drive.

You have to take the jumper or else they will cheat off you even more.

It leaves the question of, "What do I work on first?" because an improvement in either makes moving around the floor WAY easier.

Or you can do what I do and just play 2k instead haha

'trane 01-17-2012 09:54 AM

demar needs to move better without the ball. cuts to the lane, back screens, reading the defense and finding seams. jose's strength is getting the ball to the right guy at the right time. take advantage of that. there's no reason, with guys like demar and amir, that we can't be tossing lobs and finding ways to get to the rack.

if handles are the problem, he needs to let other guys take care of that piece and spend his time finding ways to get the ball closer to the rim.

carp 01-17-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 601265)
demar needs to move better without the ball. cuts to the lane, back screens, reading the defense and finding seams. jose's strength is getting the ball to the right guy at the right time. take advantage of that. there's no reason, with guys like demar and amir, that we can't be tossing lobs and finding ways to get to the rack.

if handles are the problem, he needs to let other guys take care of that piece and spend his time finding ways to get the ball closer to the rim.

+1 This is exactly what is needed.

bozonic 01-17-2012 10:18 AM

DD is from the Barbosa school of dribbling with your head down into the lane at full tilt...there is a reason Raps are a leader in turnovers...I am convinced these guys did not spend summer working on skills...dribbling and passing....maybe he should watch video of the guards who can get to the hoop and finish.. Why do guys who can dunk in college assume they can shoot..where is the new Hersey Hawkins or Ray Allen????If I was DD I would spend summer with Chip Engelund and learn to square up and get the stroke....

carp 01-17-2012 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bozonic (Post 601272)
DD is from the Barbosa school of dribbling with your head down into the lane at full tilt...there is a reason Raps are a leader in turnovers...I am convinced these guys did not spend summer working on skills...dribbling and passing....maybe he should watch video of the guards who can get to the hoop and finish.. Why do guys who can dunk in college assume they can shoot..where is the new Hersey Hawkins or Ray Allen????If I was DD I would spend summer with Chip Engelund and learn to square up and get the stroke....

He doesn't need to learn that, he needs to attack.... we've seen he can stroke it now... but he's got to spend a summer pounding the ball through the floor, with both hands..... all summer.... and working on his first step too.

It's obvious he feels more comfortable dribbling in the open court, but he needs to be competent with a man on him tight.


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