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Old 01-17-2012, 09:40 AM   #21 (permalink)
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he also needs to start catching the ball in triple threat. not a 16-second Bosh triple threat, but a triple threat that will keep the defense on its toes and open up some one on one moves for him. i think sometimes he tries to do too much when a simple one-dribble pullup J is all he needs. Jab right-jab right-one dribble left-shot. that's something i haven't seen in his game that he definitely has the athleticism to get off.
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:32 AM   #22 (permalink)
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He also needs to be more decisive. Too often he hesitates when making a move or simply abandons his move after only taking 1 dribble. He has to be aggressive and needs to attack more.

Comments about his angle, lack of a first step, and the triple-threat position are right on.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:34 AM   #23 (permalink)
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DeMar's game is super mechanical. That's the problem I have with it. About the only time we see any sort of flow and creativity and unconventionality is in the open floor, which can be said for a lot of high flyers. But in the half court set, he labours because he needs to get the ball in a specific spot at a specific time to be effective. With the clock down he's terrible at manufacturing a good shot. He strikes me as one of those guys who is only as good as the guy giving him the ball. Nash would make him look like a superstar.
Jose has done pretty well thus far. But DeMar isn't the take-over the game sort of guy yet. He can't kill you from anywhere on the floor, and you basically have two dribbles from him before he's looking to leave his feet to either shoot or pass, which explains why he doesn't do much off the dribble. On a good team he's a sixth man at best right now. It's a shooting guard's game. And really good shooting guards have exceptional handles and don't need to be spoon-fed.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:37 AM   #24 (permalink)
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DeMar's game is super mechanical. That's the problem I have with it. About the only time we see any sort of flow and creativity and unconventionality is in the open floor, which can be said for a lot of high flyers. But in the half court set, he labours because he needs to get the ball in a specific spot at a specific time to be effective. With the clock down he's terrible at manufacturing a good shot. He strikes me as one of those guys who is only as good as the guy giving him the ball. Nash would make him look like a superstar.
Jose has done pretty well thus far. But DeMar isn't the take-over the game sort of guy yet. He can't kill you from anywhere on the floor, and you basically have two dribbles from him before he's looking to leave his feet to either shoot or pass, which explains why he doesn't do much off the dribble. On a good team he's a sixth man at best right now. It's a shooting guard's game. And really good shooting guards have exceptional handles and don't need to be spoon-fed.
This is perfect, and exactly what I would have wrote, if I actually knew anything.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:47 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Great points Clingwrap!

The other issue with DeRozan is that he doesn't know what his strengths are and doesn't play to them. That's a huge problem with an NBA starter. Every starter should do at least one thing exceptionally well. If he wanted to, he could play like Rip Hamilton and just run around and take 15 footers all game long and he'd score 18+ppg. It would be a waste of his athleticism, but it would still be an improvement from what he does now. DeMar still thinks he's like Kobe so he plays all over the court, unsure of what he's going to do. When you can't manufacture shots or fouls very well, that's an issue.

With DeMar's limitations (handles and shooting), he should play more like season 1 Vince Carter - cut and drive to the basket more, create contact and attack the hoop. Start drives from 15-20 feet out, not beyond the 3 point line. Go in with the mindset that you are fearless and will dunk on anyone. Only take the occasional 3 or open shot; instead think drive first and shoot only when defenders start to give you lots of space because they're so scare you'll drive and dunk on them. I mean, you're 6'6 for fucks sakes, and you can't punish J.J. Barea for defending you!? Derrick Rose is 6'3 and halfway through is rookie year, defenders were playing as much as six feet off of him because he was just murdering guys off the bounce. Yes DeMar doesn't have the handle or body control of Rose, but he does have athleticism, lift, and size.

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Old 01-17-2012, 12:49 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I remember Leo saying this from the Atlanta game about how DD sometimes shies away from the contact and how he expects to get the foul. I wouldn't be too surprised. Last year he didn't get much calls until later in the year when he got more respect from the refs. As a young player you would assume it would carry over, but that isn't the case sometimes. As most of you said, he has to be more decisive and confident in his strengths. He has to drive more to the basket and finish the play. He can't assume he'll get the foul, just go up strong and let it happen.
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Well first off the guy turns into a pylon when he doesn't have the ball, because hes clueless on what to do, the guy has no idea what to do without the ball most of the time.

Beyond that he's seems like hes just scared, or just no confidence at all to even try and drive and draw contact. Not to mention he thinks he has a good jumper when he doesn't, its fucking horrid.
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:25 PM   #29 (permalink)
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he has improved his shooting significantly, but he hasn't improved it to the point where he can shoot it consistently while being contested, problem is he think he has, the guy takes a lot of jump shots while contested and when he does it looks really ugly, heavy shots that clang off the rim or even more likely airballs!
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:38 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I was overhearing Leo commentating, he was kinda right, hes gotta go strong to the basket not expecting the foul.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:58 PM   #31 (permalink)
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There's some really good posts in this thread.

I wouldn't say he's limited though, I would say it's an IQ thing with him. He's pretty stubborn on the court and it's like if one thing isn't working, he'll try repeatedly to get that one thing working and then he'll move to the next.

Maybe it's a youth thing. Maybe we're watching his ceiling approach (just a player, not a 'franchise' guy - which I never thought he was). Right now I think he'll be a Cuttino Mobley guy. A complimentary piece.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:06 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I agree a lot of it seems to be mental with him, his urge to dunk when he has the opportunity seems to be diminished. He tries to hard to get calls (you always see him sliding on his ass away) after layups which results in ugly turnovers. The double-T's the other night was a good tell too, dude cannot let his frustrations get to him. Just play hard.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:48 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I think Demar just can't beat people. He was never able to create space for himself regardless of what shot he is trying to take. His handles are poor, he can't sink a shot on the move and his athletic ability lacks physicality. He lacks grit and toughness. He doesn't want the ball. And I am really starting to think his rookie contract is becoming more of a burden to this team then an asset. How long do you wait for a up swing? How long are you going to tie up a starting spot?

I will say that the Raptors hyped and pampered this kid to much. In an effort to redeem themselves after Bosh, they attempted to paint this kid as the next face of franchise. They handed him every thing, starting job, minutes, touches and it turns out he just isn't that guy.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:40 PM   #34 (permalink)
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What made Demar an excellent prospect was his work ethic. The one he displayed the 1st 2 years. I'm not sure a work ethic can just disappear, but he seems behind the curve. Boy needs to work again.
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:07 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I seen him dunk like twice this season, thats not good for a guy that has been in the dunk contest twice the past 2 seasons
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Dunking isn't just about jumping over people. You have to be able to read the defence, find a lane, and break your man down off the dribble and get there before help comes. Some of the best dunks I've seen over the past couple of years have been guys splitting defenders and taking off to the hoop. Most of DeMar's dunks this year have come from play calls (alley-oops out of a timeout) and sharp cuts or open floor stuff. In the half court, he doesn't have the feel yet to find the seem and expose it.
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Old 01-18-2012, 02:13 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I've never been a fan. Ever. And Carter comparisons coming out of the draft were downright ridiculous, IMHO.

Doug's take: Raptors trying to get DeMar DeRozan going offensively - thestar.com
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:53 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Yeah, you cant compare DD to VC. DD needs to do what he does, what his role is. little upset with him, but were fans right, gonna happen.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:28 PM   #39 (permalink)
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That's why playing time isn't always the best thing for a kid.....Demar would have benefited from another year in school, with less game time and more time to work on his skills and learn the fundamentals there. Being thrust into a man's league had him just trying to keep up well before he was ready.
For Demar, entering the draft was also about family need. His parents were in a bad situation and his mother was suffering from lupus.....and ask the Americans on this board what can hapen to you in the U.S. if you have little health insurance or none at all. Demar just landed on the wrong team for his stage of development. But he can't be too upset about all the playing time.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:32 PM   #40 (permalink)
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DD's parents are gonna be in a mansion in a year or 2, not to worry, bring his fam over here to Toronto
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