How about a random trade idea: Carter (Wince) for Rasho, Kapono and a 1st?

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Old 02-20-2008, 04:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Here's a random trade idea out of left field. NJ wants to get rid of Carter and his 4 year deal ASAP. We need an SG in the worst way.

Vince is far from ideal, but how about some poetic justice in reacquiring him on-the-cheap?

Deal 1:

Vince Carter for:
Rasho, Kapono, our 1st round pick next year?

Too little for the big pussy? How about we throw some risk/reward into the equation:

Vince Carter + Marcus Williams for:
Kapono, TJ Ford + our 1st round pick next year.

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Old 02-20-2008, 07:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Carter haters are going to want to eat you alive.

I doubt he would want to be here. I doubt we would want him to be here.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:06 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Carter as a talent alone? Then yes, I'd think about it.

However, Carter brings far more, hmmm tangibles, that would make me think twice about this trade. Plus, I feel Rasho will have more value next season when his contract is expiring where we could either trade him or keep him for the added cap space and flexibility it'll give us. Actually, that's when I see us that big name free agent signing, when we finally achieve some flexibility.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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A motivated Carter would help this team immensely, but I'd have to say no. After the honeymoon is over he'll return to his unmotivated, lazy, injury prone, smiling self for the next four years. I don't think us Raptors fans could bare to go through that again.

Plus, I like the idea of him wasting away in New jersey while Kidd begged to get far away from him as possible.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:12 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Not a good idea bballwatcher considering his lack of heart and leadership as a player. If it were the same Vince who plays his ass off like in both of his contract seasons, then I'd say yes in a heartbeat. But, like we've seen again this season he may be scoring his 20 points per game but he's lacking in the heart and desire department.

Plus, BC's all about character players something that Vince doesn't have. Pipe dream for some, but a blessing in disguise for others.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:35 AM   #6 (permalink)
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LMAO .... Hollinger's even suggesting that the Raps might consider reacquiring Vince.

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In return for Carter, New Jersey's goal should be crystal clear: Contracts that expire by 2009. Yes, they'd like draft picks and young players in addition, but in contrast to the Kidd trade, this one should be mainly about contracts.

Carter is due his money through 2011, so a deal could get tricky. But exchanging him for players with contracts that expire by 2009 would have huge benefits for the Nets, because it would give them the cap space to shell out for a bigtime free agent. With a combined $37 million owed to Carter, Harris, and Jefferson and the cap likely to be around $60 million total, it's improbable the Nets would have enough cap space otherwise. When it comes to Carter deals, the name most often rumored is Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal. But his contract doesn't expire until 2010, and, like Carter, there are concerns that he is injury-prone and has yielded diminishing returns of late.

Because of that, Thorn should look at other options. In theory, there are several, but in terms of making the numbers work, the three most promising ones are the Hornets, the Raptors, and the Knicks.

Then, dare I say it, there's Toronto. While most Raptors fans would welcome Carter's return like it was a recurrence of chlamydia, the numbers and needs match. Toronto needs a dynamic wing scorer like Carter, and the Raptors can dump the contracts of Rasho Nesterovic, Juan Dixon, and Joey Graham while throwing in a first-rounder for their troubles.
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No Thank You.

That is all.
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:10 AM   #8 (permalink)
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LOL Hollinger posted the same nonsense I did. Funny stuff!

But back on the subject. I know Vince is a pussy, constantly unmotivated, a distraction, etc. Definitely not a leader. Let's add playoff almost no-show to the list.

However, for a guy who coasts for most of the season, it's pretty fucking incredible that he's getting 20 points on 45% shooting, 5 dimes and over 5 boards.

We wouldn't need his leadership as we have Bosh carrying us now. He'd basically be like an RJ on our team; a compliment for the Calderon/Bosh tandem, and a damn fine decoy. Yet another passer/shooter to draw defenses.
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For his drama-queen trips to the locker room alone I'm giving my head a shake and realizing that this guy is not the solution for the short term or the long term. He drove Kidd away with his lethargy. And C2G is right in that Rasho's contract may be more valuable next season (not to mention our pick).

Still, it's something to mull over, in the 'anything is possible' category.

He's just making too damn much money!
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:13 AM   #9 (permalink)
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To be quite honest I've thought of it too Bball, but if you're going to grab a guy making 11 or 12 million a year for the next three/four years I'd rather have an Artest or sign a Maggette or hell even try and pry Jefferson away from New Jersey.
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i'd stay away from Vince at that price tag like an STD.

bad news if you ask me.

better that he's someone esle's problem.
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To be quite honest I've thought of it too Bball, but if you're going to grab a guy making 11 or 12 million a year for the next three/four years I'd rather have an Artest or sign a Maggette or hell even try and pry Jefferson away from New Jersey.
All of those guys have problems though. Artest is a nutcase, Maggettee is actually even more injury prone than Wince (just doesn't make as big a deal of it when he goes down), and completely one-dimensional.

RJ plays hard so I'll give him that. He actually fits in with what we're trying to do here. Build a team of character guys who play hard, night in and night out. I also think RJ would be happy with getting a kiss on both cheeks from most of our guys too. [too far?] :cheeky-smiley-013:
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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All of those guys have problems though. Artest is a nutcase, Maggettee is actually even more injury prone than Wince (just doesn't make as big a deal of it when he goes down), and completely one-dimensional.

RJ plays hard so I'll give him that. He actually fits in with what we're trying to do here. Build a team of character guys who play hard, night in and night out. I also think RJ would be happy with getting a kiss on both cheeks from most of our guys too. [too far?] :cheeky-smiley-013:

You can never go to far with someone like me around. I wrote the book on going too far.

Maybe bad examples on my part, but my point was there has to be better options at 12 million per year we could persue.
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Well, I have being a New jersey Nets Fan for all my life, and here what i think about certain things. Since last year when nets were talking to resign Vince Carter i told my friend that it was a bad idea. He only plays whenever he feels like playing. He doesnt like sharing the basketball. He like those long shots which he makes 1 out of 10. What is the point of that? What i said we needed was someone else with the skills to run the court with Jason and Richard, Vince wasnt the one for that. Vince needs to go, and the idea of getting a player like Lebron would be something that i would gladly take.
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Where in the hell is that from? Did they actually suggest a Vince for LeBron deal?
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Old 02-20-2008, 01:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
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It was just a comment from a fan in response to this article...

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With a sad farewell to a prominent leader, the New jersey Nets start fresh with a new opportunity. A land that had been trampled but never conquered as an identity is formed from dirt.
First is the process of determining what direction we truly want to head in. We have a 25-year-old point guard and two big men in their early 20s, yet our go-to-guy has just passed 30.

It truly ends and begins with Vince Carter.

If we trade him, we rebuild. If we keep him, well, we hope light in the tunnel is closer than we thought. The main problem is that Vince Carter is thought of by the owners as higher than Rod Thorn himself. That resulted in the Nets basically bidding against themselves for Carter's services.

Now we are in a rut trying to decide between unloading the contract that does not expire till 2010 or keeping him for mere fan satisfaction.

Rumors of a Vince Carter for Jermaine O’Neal deal have floated around, but those depend on O’Neal’s knees. In reality, that deal is about acquiring a contract ending one year earlier than Carter's.

The Nets real future plans lie with the friendships of our owner. The vast world of 2010 NBA free agents is astounding and the biggest name of all, LeBron James, just happens to be buddy-buddy with Nets' part-owner, Jay-Z.

The chances of landing him are slim to none, but there are some incentives leaning in our favor.

LeBron's $100 million bonus for playing in New York, Los Angeles, or another big city certainly does not hurt our chances. He also has an immense respect for Jay-Z, not only personally, but business-wise as well.

The pieces they have to entice the King? It starts off with the Kidd trade.

Devin Harris played second-fiddle often to Jason Terry, but he was the replacement for Steve Nash when he signed to Dallas. Though he does not have the two MVPs, he has Finals experience to go along with a winning record in every season he has played.

It is quite fitting that he steps into even bigger shoes in Jersey, as he will try to accomplish half of what Kidd did for the Nets.

The Nets also have two young men by the names of Josh Boone and Sean Williams. Boone is the stud finisher down low, while Williams has made highlight after highlight in dunks and astonishing blocks.

The Nets front office certainly has some tough choices to make in the near future.
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as much as i hate vince carter, watching those classic games with him storming the wing, and rising up for a thunderous dunk, tantallize me into thinking he'd be great back here. then i remember his shit attitude, his laughing off a blow-out, his telling chris Bosh that it will all be over soon.
fuck him.
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Carter hasnt been the same Vince for many years, i said this in a couple threads with no responce, once he tweaked his knee his game lost alot of explosiveness, now he is at best a good jump shooter who occasionally drives, but he is overpaid for what he really is.
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Carter hasnt been the same Vince for many years, i said this in a couple threads with no responce, once he tweaked his knee his game lost alot of explosiveness, now he is at best a good jump shooter who occasionally drives, but he is overpaid for what he really is.

There was no "responce" because you're talking out of your ass. He's still capable of getting to the hole at will when he choses to, which he has proved on a regular basis since he became a Net.
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There was no "responce" because you're talking out of your ass. He's still capable of getting to the hole at will when he choses to, which he has proved on a regular basis since he became a Net.
Actually, no he hasnt, so you can kiss what u think im talking out of, most top analysis say he is just an overpaid jump shooter now and when do you really see those highlight reel dunks on top of ppl anymore? Its not that he doesnt have the heart to do it, he just cant do that anymore, he is still pretty quick and can throw it down, but definately not with the same authority with is why he feels he needs to rely on jumpers and 3s way more. If you did some research you would know it was the nets owner, not the management that wanted to give vince that $, the management knows he is more of a perometer player now and not worth that $.
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