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Old 05-28-2009, 06:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but are the Raptors really interested in Dejuan Blair? Solid Big man, but the biggest hole on the roster is the SG POSITION!!!!!

Steve Kyler:

The Raptors were among the league worst rebounding teams and Colangelo loves toughness… I have spoken to both Bryan and Jay Triano this summer… they see two guard as a need, but not their most pressing need the will make an offer to Anthony Parker, Triano wants him back, they are also hoping to get Carlos Delfino back… I expect two guard to be addressed in free agency or trade and for the Raptors to get in the mix at the bottom of the first round.

Just spoke with one of Toronto's people in the lobby and they are really struggling to narrow things down, so anything really could happen with them.


steve in :
Hey Steve! I can't seem to fathom as to why the Raptors might take dejaun blair..WHY? When our weakest position...is the 2 and derozan or evans could be available and compliment our lineup..is there a good chance marion is will remain a rap? Thanks

Steve Kyler:
Toughness… toughness… toughness…

Evans may pull out and DeRozan is a solid fit, but drafting him means Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino go elsewhere.. and DeRozan won't be an impact guy on Day 1 – not many guys in this class will be... the challenge in this draft class is beyond Blake Griffin... the player you grab at 3 could be the same level pro as the player you grab at 23... not many star or starter caliber guys in this class.


Kelvin in Toronto, ON:
The Raptors have the 9th pick & wants to buy a pick from another team later on the first round? So im guessing that they are drafting a starting SG if lucky & a backup PG?

Steve Kyler:
Nope… Rebounding at #9… backup PG in the late first round… Perimeter help from free agency… They could go Austin Daye late in the first if he's there, they liked him a lot.


Kanda in Toronto:
Sup Steve, question to you. Hoopsworld reported that the Raptors are interested in picking Dejaun Blair for the number 9 pick and buying another pick in the 20's and picking Austin Daye? What are your thoughts on this? Thanks man!

Steve Kyler:
Considering I reported it… having spent time around all three parties… The Raptors… DeJuan and Austin… they fit together… I am sure Colanaglo throws some curveballs, but based on what I have heard, the Raptors are very high on DeJuan Blair.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=300

Very interesting.

I would definately like to see the wing issues addressed but I do really like Blair.

Daye is a very interesting choice for a latter pick as well, buit BC loves his versatile bigmen.

Daye: Ht: 6-10 Wt: 200 Position SF


Strengths: An extremely versatile player, who at 6-10 has great height and length for the SF position … He is more than comfortable handling the ball in transition, as well as attacking off the dribble on the perimeter … Possesses a nice mix of skills with his back to the basket, including fadeways to both shoulders, mini hooks and up and unders … Has great patience when attacking, he reads the defender then either uses a well timed shot fake or a spin move to get himself in better scoring position … Out of the triple threat is where he is most effective; people have to play him tight because of his shot and this allows him to use his long strides and good jabs to get into the lane … Shooting the ball is where he is the most effective and dangerous; he has one of the nicer release in all of college basketball … He is able to knock down outside shots with his feet set and he is just as comfortable shooting pullups from midrange going to either hand … He has a slight fade on his shot, combining that with his long arms and high release, it makes his jumper virtually unblockable …

Weaknesses: He needs to add substantial weight and muscle if he is to ever reach his true potential … His explosiveness is mediocre (as a leaper he is fairly limited and his first step is only average) … Even though he has an extremely soft touch, he still struggles finishing in traffic because he cannot absorb contact … He is easily thrown off balance and forced into tough shots by stronger defenders … At times, he dips the ball pretty low on the catch, which allows the defenders to close out on him … If he is challenged and forced to rush his shot, his efficiency decreases … Needs to gain consistency on his shot, he goes through droughts and this causes a downward spiral for his entire game since most of his moves rely on shot fakes and his ability to attack out of the triple threat … He is somewhat passive, seems so take what the defense gives him and he tends to settle for outside shots rather than using his length around the basket … He needs to work on his off hand as he becomes predictable attacking to his right far too often …
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I like Blair too, but I dont like picking him 9th. Guys like him go mid 20's to 2nd round pick for a reason even though he looks like a clear cut rotation guy. He isnt and shouldnt be a lotto pick by any stretch of the imagination.
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I like Blair too, but I dont like picking him 9th. Guys like him go mid 20's to 2nd round pick for a reason even though he looks like a clear cut rotation guy. He isnt and shouldnt be a lotto pick by any stretch of the imagination.
thats true but Blair isn't going later than the lotto picks
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So draft a big/SF and then address the SG/back up PG through trade/FA/MLE sounds like a plan. But imo, Kapono needs to go and Joey probably won't be back.

Sounds to me like at the very least Hump/Kapono will be traded this summer. With Blair (if we take him) we'll have a glut with our bigs position with Bosh/Pops/Blair/Hump/Bargs/O'bryant/Jawai (7 bigs) with possibly 8 if Rasho is brought in which is doubtful. Therefore the one to go would be Hump imo.

As for Kapono, with AP back (if he re-signs) and Delfino. The Raptors will then trade or sign a SG and Backup PG making him the odd man out. And another issue is the backup PG position. As of right now we have 3 PG's (Jose/Ukic/Douby) one of them have to go if we're getting yet another one.

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thats true but Blair isn't going later than the lotto picks
I've seen him on mock drafts as low as #22 and i've also seen him going to Utah at #20.
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There's no way Blair falls any lower than 16. The Bulls LOVE that guy. In fact, I would be surprised if the Bucks don't take him at 10.
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If Colangelo takes Blair then I'll trust him. His draft record is very nice after all...When he uses the pick. Blair isn't Hoffa, that's for sure. If they take Blair they better damn well address the need for a guard beyond Parker and Delfino. That's not going to cut it this year.
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we're horrible at SG, (and if Marion passes) SF.
but our biggest weakness since i can remember has ALWAYS been rebounding.
we've been a piss poor rebounding team for the last decade.
if Blair is as good a rebounder as advertised, i wouldnt mind taking a risk and selecting him at 9. Alot of sites are comparing him to a Millsap-type player, and that in itself makes me drool. sure, these same sites are saying he may turn out to be Tractor Traylor part duex, but i definitely think its worth the risk.

I just dont see us getting anything worthwhile in SG/SF at 9... i really feel Derozan is overrated, and we'd be better of with Delfino and/or free agency for our hole at that position.
just my 2 cents.
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we're horrible at SG, (and if Marion passes) SF.
but our biggest weakness since i can remember has ALWAYS been rebounding.
we've been a piss poor rebounding team for the last decade.
if Blair is as good a rebounder as advertised, i wouldnt mind taking a risk and selecting him at 9. Alot of sites are comparing him to a Millsap-type player, and that in itself makes me drool. sure, these same sites are saying he may turn out to be Tractor Traylor part duex, but i definitely think its worth the risk.

I just dont see us getting anything worthwhile in SG/SF at 9... i really feel Derozan is overrated, and we'd be better of with Delfino and/or free agency for our hole at that position.
just my 2 cents.
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there may be some good wings there, but they won't contribute anything significant for 2-3 years. if we go that route, we might as well trade Bosh and start again - something i am not find of.
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there may be some good wings there, but they won't contribute anything significant for 2-3 years. if we go that route, we might as well trade Bosh and start again - something i am not find of.
well if blair is picked i would assume that the shraps are going trade Bosh anyway which means 2-3 mores years to wait for Bargnani to learn to rebound


i would be thrilled with harden, evans, and specially derozan. derozan is not gerald green, strong as an ox for 19, coordinated, has great body control, and what you want in the future for an uptempo team.

every night before sleep i get on my knees and pray to jesus that derozan falls to the raps and pops(not blair) becomes our fourth pf
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no idea why you think drafting blair means we'd get rid of bosh. there is no causal link that i can see between drafting a clear-cut role player as a backup big and getting rid of your #1 option on offence.
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I'd guess that Pops is actually as good as gone. He had a good - what? - two week stint. Was it even that?
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no idea why you think drafting blair means we'd get rid of bosh. there is no causal link that i can see between drafting a clear-cut role player as a backup big and getting rid of your #1 option on offence.

the thing is that were already gonig with a 2 pf frontcourt and that would be just adding another pf to the mix. we would still have no center, still no defensive pressence to swat shots and intiminate.

If their going to get another big in the draft for the rotation with the 9th pick, i'm gonna assume its some who can play center with shotblocknig ability, something we have none of.
if blair is here, i just don't see Bosh staying.

maybe i'm dead wrong but thats how i see it playing out
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Bargnani is a C. POB could very well become a nice help defender, and Blair could play both spots on some nights, and he would get picked precisely for his ability to add toughness and intimidate.
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i just dont see derozan being that guy for us.
he reaks of joey graham....
pros: athletic freak/powerhouse who can get to the rim at will. built like a beast, can throw down slams in his sleep
cons: doesnt seem to have his head in the game at times. takes plays off. missing the passion required to be a star.

if theres anything this team needs to steer clear of its unmotivated guys who are afraid of playing at 100%.
we need a guy who will leave it all on the floor and give his heart to the team, not another wannabe superstar who isnt willing to go 'full throtle', and feels like they are owed something.

i am probably the wrong guy to make assumptions about Derozan as i've only seen him in live action once, but everything i read about the guy says the same thing: HUGE potential but no drive/passion.
Unfortuantely, we dont have a popovich or phil jackson to light a fire under a players ass to get them to the next level... we've always had bad luck in drafting players with low passion, and i dont want us to make that mistake again.
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Beyond athletics Graham and DeRozen are not similar players.
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Beyond athletics Graham and DeRozen are not similar players.
they seem to have the similar mindset and their critiques are strinkingly the same.

remember all the hype around Joey in 2005?
he was considered a cant miss prospect with the best strength and size (positionwise) in the draft. he was a beast who's athleticism was uncompareable. had a decent jumper and could get to the rim flawlessly. high potential... blah, blah, blah...
sound familiar?

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DeRozan doesn't rebound well or play defense
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they seem to have the similar mindset and their critiques are strinkingly the same.

remember all the hype around Joey in 2005?
he was considered a cant miss prospect with the best strength and size (positionwise) in the draft. he was a beast who's athleticism was uncompareable. had a decent jumper and could get to the rim flawlessly. high potential... blah, blah, blah...
sound familiar?
Joey was known for being a lock down defender and slasher. DeRozen is know for his vast offensive talents.
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they seem to have the similar mindset and their critiques are strinkingly the same.

remember all the hype around Joey in 2005?
he was considered a cant miss prospect with the best strength and size (positionwise) in the draft. he was a beast who's athleticism was uncompareable. had a decent jumper and could get to the rim flawlessly. high potential... blah, blah, blah...
sound familiar?

first derozan and joey can not be compared athletically unless where talking football. as great as an athlete as joey is, derozan is on another level. joey is mechanical, can't jump 2 feet, really can only go in a straight line

this is derozan at 18
joey can't touch him from an athletic stand point, not in basketball



as for the no defense, no desire, lables. said the same stuff about andre igoudala and what did he end up doing? he came in with the sixers and made a impact his rookie season despight having no offesnive talent, using his athleticism to play some d and running the floor which i'm, guessing BC wants his team to do
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