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Old 05-09-2012, 02:24 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Rice? I thought that Barnes was being touted as a solid defender?
He certainly has the potential, and showed it in flashes, but the consistency was rarely there. I'd have little doubt he would be fine in that regard with the right coaching, which we presumably have.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:29 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Rice? I thought that Barnes was being touted as a solid defender?
He's touted as having a lot of defensive "potential." He has all the tools - the length, the quickness, the size, you usually see in top defenders, but has yet to show that he is anything more than an average-to-above-average defender at the college level. He is also touted as having a strong work ethic, not unlike DeMar, which makes the suggestion that he'll develop into a great defender hold more water. And of course, he has yet to go up against real NBA talent, so it is as ever difficult to judge his defense based on what he's shown in college.
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He certainly has the potential, and showed it in flashes, but the consistency was rarely there. I'd have little doubt he would be fine in that regard with the right coaching, which we presumably have.
Presumably? Them's fightin' words.
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Old 05-09-2012, 05:58 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:06 PM   #65 (permalink)
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All depends where we land,
Either we move right up in the draft, in which case we wouldn't likely pick Barnes, or we stay around 8th or 9th, in which case he is likely gone. It will take something showing badly in workouts for teams to decide to pass on him for him to fall to us.
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Either we move right up in the draft, in which case we wouldn't likely pick Barnes, or we stay around 8th or 9th, in which case he is likely gone. It will take something showing badly in workouts for teams to decide to pass on him for him to fall to us.
There are of course potential trades to move up a few spots, as well.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:18 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Either we move right up in the draft, in which case we wouldn't likely pick Barnes, or we stay around 8th or 9th, in which case he is likely gone. It will take something showing badly in workouts for teams to decide to pass on him for him to fall to us.
it wouldn't take much to fall. most mock drafts have him in the 6-7th spot, one or two players impress in the workouts and i could easily see him being available @ #8. One team surprises with a pick in the 4-7 range and all bets are off. look how far brandon knight and kemba walker dropped last year once we didn't take them. they went 8 & 9.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:36 PM   #68 (permalink)
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it wouldn't take much to fall. most mock drafts have him in the 6-7th spot, one or two players impress in the workouts and i could easily see him being available @ #8. One team surprises with a pick in the 4-7 range and all bets are off. look how far brandon knight and kemba walker dropped last year once we didn't take them. they went 8 & 9.
He's big, seems to have all around talent, and seems like a prototypical 3. That's the only reason why I will be surprised if he is avalable still at 8ish. I think he is likely to show well and many will think he just needs to be worked with and to be in the right situation. And they would probably be right.

And the same way 1 or 2 players could move up, 1 or 2 could move down like with Brandon Roy's knees, Batum's health or some psychological profile issues that show you may be working out Latrell Sprewell.

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Old 05-09-2012, 09:10 PM   #69 (permalink)
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From what I've heard, read, etc, Barnes' best case scenario is Deng. Barnes is compared to G.Rice on nbadraft.net, the same nbadraft.net that had Quincy Miller going in the second round
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Old 05-10-2012, 03:12 PM   #70 (permalink)
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He's big, seems to have all around talent, and seems like a prototypical 3. That's the only reason why I will be surprised if he is avalable still at 8ish. I think he is likely to show well and many will think he just needs to be worked with and to be in the right situation. And they would probably be right.

And the same way 1 or 2 players could move up, 1 or 2 could move down like with Brandon Roy's knees, Batum's health or some psychological profile issues that show you may be working out Latrell Sprewell.
Eh, I disagree with that. Barnes is a horrible passer, mediocre rebounder and defender, and even as a scorer is pretty lacking in versatility in that he's a pure jumpshooter - he's weak on the ball and attacking the rim. I would call Barnes arguably the most one-dimensional prospect at our spot. He's a shooter and that's about it.

Barnes reminds me of one of the mistakes that get made in the draft. Players get taken for their physical tools rather than the specific tools they use those physical tools for. Al-Farouq Aminu got taken top 10 because he had an ideal SF body in size and length. Too bad nothing he did on the court actually utilized his physical tools, he would have the same offensive game if he was a skinny 6'6 SF. I feel the same way about Barnes. He might be huge physically but how does he use it? He doesn't score in the paint or attack the basket so it doesn't help him finish and he doesn't post up. Basically nothing about the strength difference between him and eg. Quincy Miller, is actually used on the court. Barnes scores his points the exact same way Nick Young does (obviously he won't have a basketball IQ that low), a lot of herky jerky 15-24 jumper stuff, a player starting to create his shot in one spot and then 5 seconds later when he takes the shot, he's either in the exact same place or within 2 square feet. I would argue the way Doron Lamb scored in college fits the NBA more than Barnes because he was a step up as a shooter and had more quickness. The reason Barnes has separated himself from Doron or pre draft Young on the mocks is that he has the size/strength to say he can be an actual threat at the rim, but IMO Barnes has not proven he has the speed, ballhandling or aggressivness to actually use that strength worth squat... IMO what Barnes has written all over him is a 15-18ppg .51 TS% player on a bad team who basically doesn't take shots within 15 feet... the SF version of Young or Marshon Brooks in offensive style of play

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Old 05-10-2012, 04:04 PM   #71 (permalink)
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i disagree with a whole lot of that, like just about everything. i've never seen a forward or guard taken because they were the ideal height/size for a position. also, aminu was a questionable tweener when he was selected because of his style of game and lack of size.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:49 AM   #72 (permalink)
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harrison barnes looks to be a solid nba player but not an allstar,

you can get that type of player through trade or free agency

to me the more intriguing guy from north carolina is kendall marshall, the guy seems like the next jason kidd, and seems under value in the draft,
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Kendall Marshall the next Jason kidd?? SMH
Maybe he'll become a woman beater like Kidd , in which case I agree
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:59 AM   #74 (permalink)
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harrison barnes looks to be a solid nba player but not an allstar,

you can get that type of player through trade or free agency

to me the more intriguing guy from north carolina is kendall marshall, the guy seems like the next jason kidd, and seems under value in the draft,
Jason Kidd was a legendary rebounding guard and came to be a great defender, as well as one of the greatest passers of all time. I'm not sure we'll see the "next Jason Kidd".
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Kendall Marshall might be the next andre miller if he busts his ass
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:02 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Jason Kidd was a legendary rebounding guard and came to be a great defender, as well as one of the greatest passers of all time. I'm not sure we'll see the "next Jason Kidd".
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:12 PM   #77 (permalink)
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it wouldn't take much to fall. most mock drafts have him in the 6-7th spot, one or two players impress in the workouts and i could easily see him being available @ #8. One team surprises with a pick in the 4-7 range and all bets are off. look how far brandon knight and kemba walker dropped last year once we didn't take them. they went 8 & 9.
not that likely, because this year, all the teams ahead of us could use a wing. Last year there was not pecking order, 3-10 were pretty much a wash, while this year there is no other forward (or even player) that comes close to barnes outside of the top 5-6 players. So it would take at least two GMs making surprising choices, and remember, kahn is picking after us this year
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