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Old 05-02-2012, 09:57 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I think Toronto will get lucky and move into the top 3 (if that's possible)...

Me personally the biggest mistake is trying to market/promote a franchise player who isn't just that. Derozan at 22,is our best current prospect but he's not proven to be a #1 guy and has a lot of leadership skills to build and defense.

I've seen enough of Bargnani to give my ruling, he's a 3rd option on the offense guy ideally.

Valancunias is still a mystery so let's not crown him yet either.

As far Barnes,I don't want him or feel we need him but I wouldn't be upset if we take him.

I like Kidd Gilchrist(if TO lands top 3),if not I'd honestly trade down. I think Toronto should draft a PG. Marshall seems good but I don't trust UNC PG's at the pro level and don't feel he's a top 8 pick. I rather take a chance on Marquis Teague from UK but I'd pull a NFL style deal and trade down to get him in mid or late mid in the draft. Calapari knows how to get his players ready for the pro level and Teague would fit in well especially if TR can't move Jose. I'd consider Austin Rivers as well and put him at the point. He's a playmaker and a star in the making/former #1 college recruit.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:10 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I think Toronto will get lucky and move into the top 3 (if that's possible)...

Me personally the biggest mistake is trying to market/promote a franchise player who isn't just that. Derozan at 22,is our best current prospect but he's not proven to be a #1 guy and has a lot of leadership skills to build and defense.

I've seen enough of Bargnani to give my ruling, he's a 3rd option on the offense guy ideally.Valancunias is still a mystery so let's not crown him yet either.

As far Barnes,I don't want him or feel we need him but I wouldn't be upset if we take him.

I like Kidd Gilchrist(if TO lands top 3),if not I'd honestly trade down. I think Toronto should draft a PG. Marshall seems good but I don't trust UNC PG's at the pro level and don't feel he's a top 8 pick. I rather take a chance on Marquis Teague from UK but I'd pull a NFL style deal and trade down to get him in mid or late mid in the draft. Calapari knows how to get his players ready for the pro level and Teague would fit in well especially if TR can't move Jose. I'd consider Austin Rivers as well and put him at the point. He's a playmaker and a star in the making/former #1 college recruit.
I think you mean he's best as your third best player... his offence is good enough to be your number one option, though I imagine you could also have a guy that is a little better at closing out games.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:15 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Coin flip last Friday determined we are in the 8th spot going into the lotto.
Sorry i missed the coin flip...
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:29 PM   #44 (permalink)
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If Barnes is there at 8, they will pick him and he WILL be the best pick.

the guy's PG goes down and you all call him crap because they force him to do things he's never tried before in the tourney. He will be able to create his own shot and get to the hoop given a chance. Pretty good handle.

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Old 05-02-2012, 02:36 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I've seen enough of Bargnani to give my ruling, he's a 3rd option on the offense guy ideally.
ideally, he's your 5th best option, if you have 4 offensive players better than andrea, you would be scoring 150 per game ...

andrea is absolutely good enough offensively to be a second option, and you may even get away with him as your best weapon if the other 4 guys are all good enough, and providing you have at least another player of andrea's calibre, ideally a guard/pg.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:14 PM   #46 (permalink)
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ideally, he's your 5th best option, if you have 4 offensive players better than andrea, you would be scoring 150 per game ...

andrea is absolutely good enough offensively to be a second option, and you may even get away with him as your best weapon if the other 4 guys are all good enough, and providing you have at least another player of andrea's calibre, ideally a guard/pg.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:30 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Overall: No one's stock was damaged more by Kendall Marshall's injury than Harrison Barnes, whose inability to create shots for himself was exposed ... The microscope has been focused on Barnes after choosing to return for his sophomore year... Barnes has a high basement, in that worst case scenario he serves as an outside threat that can slash and defend ... He's proven that his game is better suited complimenting a top scoring option then being one himself ... Still, he has the potential to become a team's fixture at the 3 if his ceiling is reached ...



At worst, Barnes is offering what the Raps' need for the 3 - outside threat, slash, defend and compliment Bargs. He's a player that I originally pushed for and I think he might still be that player that can really help the Raps. He had a rough year but his upside is fantastic.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:22 PM   #48 (permalink)
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i don't want to criticise too much because you're clearly knowledgable and you and DK have had a good debate on this, but are you really saying DK/we should prioritise your opinions over scouts?

i'm like DK, i wouldn't mind drafting barnes because he sounds like a player with a lot of potential but at the moment it doesn't sound like he'd be an upgrade on JJ.
no, i'm not saying that at all. all i'm saying do your due-diligence.

what's happening to barnes happens every year. you're going to see all these claims and concerns about players by these scouts when all it is, is a game of positioning. who are these scouts? and who cares what the scouts are saying when it only really comes down to what the team that aren't associated with these scouts decide.

these reports that we're using on here aren't even real scouting reports. half of the time, these reports that we read are based off of reports from other people. could you tell me that barnes can't create his own shot without reading it from somewhere like nbadraft.net? half of the time their scouting reports contradict themselves anyways, and they base their NBA comparisons on look-a-likes. they're more often than not, a horrible resource and/or outdated.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:35 PM   #49 (permalink)
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could you tell me that barnes can't create his own shot without reading it from somewhere like nbadraft.net?
I could. I think he'll be a solid defender if he applies himself. I think he'll be fine as a shooter and he has enough handles for a 3. But he does struggle to get to the rim. He ends up taking pull up jumpers or he uses his one move, a spin into the lane. I of course would not say he can't develop this part of his game, but I really have not seen much of it and I have seen him play quite a bit.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:12 PM   #50 (permalink)
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just so we're clear, do you foresee his inability to create a shot being an issue of us drafting him 8th overall. i'd obviously be a little bit more critical if we were taking him 3rd overall, but we're talking the 8th. you're not going to be getting a star (not without a little luck and hardwork) so not being able to put the ball on the floor and create for himself is a minor issue when compared to his strengths, which coincidentally seem to fit our needs.
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just so we're clear, do you foresee his inability to create a shot being an issue of us drafting him 8th overall. i'd obviously be a little bit more critical if we were taking him 3rd overall, but we're talking the 8th. you're not going to be getting a star (not without a little luck and hardwork) so not being able to put the ball on the floor and create for himself is a minor issue when compared to his strengths, which coincidentally seem to fit our needs.
Totally agree. If he was great at creating his own shot, we wouldn't have a chance at him. At 8, he fits well with our needs (defensive potential, outside shooting, basketball IQ, clutch scoring).
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I'm under the impression if they don't move up from 8, Barnes is gone anyway as someone else's deemed best player available at #6 or #7.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:55 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Barnes is taken 7th or before. on another note, the raps should invest in someone who can penetrate opposing teams' D, currently we have no one on next year's roster who can do that and is a 30+ mpg player.
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Barnes is taken 7th or before. on another note, the raps should invest in someone who can penetrate opposing teams' D, currently we have no one on next year's roster who can do that and is a 30+ mpg player.
It's their most glaring weakness. In addition, someone who gets calls since the referees play such a big part in playoff games. Preferably they'll be able to add more than one guy who can do this as they continue to build this team.
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Barnes would be a good fit... he could stretch the floor and give DD more room to penetrate. Beal would be ideal, and then Anthony Davis I suppose... if we're forced to settle!

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most mockups I've seen have barnes going top 6, so he's unlikely to be available to us. The problem is that almost all teams ahead of us could use a wing and there are only 3 names in the top tier, so even if one or teams surprise like they always do, it's still unlikely we'll get him.

that being said, moving from 8th to say 6th could be fairly easy to accomplish if we really wanted barnes. We could take on a bad contract or send them some cash, there are lots of ways. The fact that barnes has so many question marks might work in our favour, some GM might not feel comfortable taking him and sending some cash could allow him to bail out on the responsibility of taking the risk ...
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:09 PM   #57 (permalink)
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So what's the ceiling for Barnes? Another Luol Deng perhaps?
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:15 PM   #58 (permalink)
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So what's the ceiling for Barnes? Another Luol Deng perhaps?
His NBA compare on nbadraft.net is Glen Rice. So take from that what you will.
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His NBA compare on nbadraft.net is Glen Rice. So take from that what you will.
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:19 PM   #60 (permalink)
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His NBA compare on nbadraft.net is Glen Rice. So take from that what you will.
Rice? I thought that Barnes was being touted as a solid defender?
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