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Old 05-01-2012, 11:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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at the 8? you're crazy

comparing him to these ultra small forwards like durant and lebron, yeah he can't do the things that you'd hope, but from the small forward position, he's the prototypical small forward.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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at the 8? you're crazy

comparing him to these ultra small forwards like durant and lebron, yeah he can't do the things that you'd hope, but from the small forward position, he's the prototypical small forward.
He'd be the prototypical small forward on a team with an established shooting guard, a guy who can create his own shots off the dribble and attract attention from the defense to kick it out to a guy like Barnes for the open shot.

We've got DeMar...

I just don't see these two being a good fit together on the wings when neither can adequately create their own shot.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:38 PM   #23 (permalink)
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if you're drafting around demar, you're making a big mistake. would you not take MKG because we have demar? we'd be worse off being that no one would be able to extend the floor.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:53 PM   #24 (permalink)
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if you're drafting around demar, you're making a big mistake. would you not take MKG because we have demar? we'd be worse off being that no one would be able to extend the floor.
I'm just saying, at the moment Barnes won't help our current wing situation right away. I wouldn't be extremely disappointed if we drafted him, as I think there is room for improvement, but I'd just rather have Colangelo look at other alternatives and not settle for Barnes right away.

At the moment, DeMar is our guy at the 2, and not saying he can't improving his game to the point where he can create his own shot and diverge the defense away from Barnes (or vice versa), but you can only do so much with 2 wings that need to be spoon-fed shot opportunities.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:00 AM   #25 (permalink)
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At the moment, DeMar is our guy at the 2, and not saying he can't improving his game to the point where he can create his own shot and diverge the defense away from Barnes (or vice versa), but you can only do so much with 2 wings that need to be spoon-fed shot opportunities.
That's wrong...Demar is decent at creating his own shot. I don't know what team you've been watching.
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i don't get what you're saying. if adding barnes doesn't help our current wing situation, how should it be addressed?

also, creating your own shot is always taken out of context. just because you won't be running barnes out of isolations doesn't not mean that he's an inferior offensive talent. in an offence that 'is not a democracy' and the endearing love casey has shown for calderon, a player like barnes would probably serve us more valuable.
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That's wrong...Demar is decent at creating his own shot. I don't know what team you've been watching.
Welp, to be honest I haven't been watching for the last month or so. Looks like I'm just spouting garbage again. Carry on.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:05 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Welp, to be honest I haven't been watching for the last month or so. Looks like I'm just spouting garbage again. Carry on.


I had to verify that you're the crazy one, not me. Youtube search "Demar Derozan 2012" verified that you are indeed spouting garbage.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:09 AM   #29 (permalink)
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i don't get what you're saying. if adding barnes doesn't help our current wing situation, how should it be addressed?

also, creating your own shot is always taken out of context. just because you won't be running barnes out of isolations doesn't not mean that he's an inferior offensive talent. in an offence that 'is not a democracy' and the endearing love casey has shown for calderon, a player like barnes would probably serve us more valuable.
I don't understand how Barnes would be an immediate upgrade over James Johnson if that's the case. His shot consistently got better with each game, and his defense is easily tops on our team. Barnes on the other hand is being described by "scouts" as the Tar-Heel version of Jason Kapono. Basically a catch-and-shoot player, with no other real polished offensive weapons and pretty lack-luster on defense.

I'd argue we'd be in a better position going forward with JJ than Barnes, but I don't feel like typing out all that during essay-season.
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it doesn't matter how the scouts are describing him, especially when they're basing it off of two games. this tune is based off of marshall being injured, barnes doing too much and having no one to set the offence. where were these criticisms throughout the season?
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it doesn't matter how the scouts are describing him, especially when they're basing it off of two games. this tune is based off of marshall being injured, barnes doing too much and having no one to set the offence. where were these criticisms throughout the season?
The criticisms have been there ever since he stepped onto North Carolina and didn't magically turn into Michael Jordan like everyone expected. I expected it, I am a victim of the high school hype of Harrison Barnes. There, I said it. You got me.

What do you mean off two games? Does missing Marshall really take Barnes' game and completely throw it off a cliff that quickly? I understand that Marshall was a key cog to the UNC offense, but good players really shouldn't have that kind of drop in production, especially for ones advocating for a starting spot on an NBA team.

Great players adjust to the situation and don't force things, however, that is all a learning process. Barnes has time to mature and progress. He's just not ready yet to contribute at a high level without being spoon-fed by the offense.

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Old 05-02-2012, 03:20 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I don't want Barnes
If not Beal then Terrence Jones and Jeremy Lamb are better fits for Raps at wing
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:08 AM   #33 (permalink)
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he'll probably pull a demar, closed workouts, don't workout against other players, teams just won't be interested and just automatically fall to us
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he is not BC type. BC will rather draft a guy with POTENTIAL
Last year yes, this year I doubt that.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:00 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind drafting him, he looks like compact player that would give us something positive on both ends of the court. He might not be a very good scorer, but let's not forget that we have guys who can score, Bargs/DD/Kleiza and run the most of the offense trough them, let's not forget that if Caldy is staying we will lee many pick 'N'roll between JV and Caldy and a tough minded defender could realise be useful in both man man marking defence and zone defence.
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it doesn't matter how the scouts are describing him, especially when they're basing it off of two games. this tune is based off of marshall being injured, barnes doing too much and having no one to set the offence. where were these criticisms throughout the season?

i don't want to criticise too much because you're clearly knowledgable and you and DK have had a good debate on this, but are you really saying DK/we should prioritise your opinions over scouts?

i'm like DK, i wouldn't mind drafting barnes because he sounds like a player with a lot of potential but at the moment it doesn't sound like he'd be an upgrade on JJ.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:53 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I figure if they use the pick instead of trading, it's P. Jones as BPA or H. Lamb as best fit.....that kid can shoot, which is what Colangelo and Casey have mentioned they want.
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I figure if they use the pick instead of trading, it's P. Jones as BPA or H. Lamb as best fit.....that kid can shoot, which is what Colangelo and Casey have mentioned they want.

i'm intrigued by P jones. We could draft him and try to improve our team through FA and/or maybe a smaller trade for a useful player, rather than a big-time player, involving Ed. JJ could have another season to show that he can keep improving, as could our other players like DD, Bargs etc.

i think we will improve a lot again next season, i think being really aggressive and looking for a trade where we give up a lot for 1 top player could be a mistake.
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Why is everyone saying were picking at #8 when were tied with GS?
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Why is everyone saying were picking at #8 when were tied with GS?
Coin flip last Friday determined we are in the 8th spot going into the lotto.
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