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Old 08-11-2010, 02:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you think Amir Johnson can prove to be a regular starter?

- Maybe... he looked very good when he filled in last year for Chris Bosh. He has the potential to be very good and he'll get a real chance this year to prove that.
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How long do you think it will take Toronto to rebound from the loss of Bosh and Turk?
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I think they are better today than they were last year... here's why.

Too much was about Bosh. Now the system can be about playing the best players and the hot hand.

The second is the expectations and the "gotta keep Chris happy" vibe leaves the room.

The Raptors have a solid young core that looked really good in Summer play... they will struggle a bit, but you now have 6 to 7 guys that really want to play and play for each other, rather than one All-Star that everything has to be built around.

Ed Davis was much better than expected and Amir Johnson will have a chance to prove his worth.

The Raptors won 40 games last year... it's not going to surprise me to see this team win 35 to 40 games this year.

If anyone on the roster shows up to play the star role, they could win more games because I think fundamentally they are a better team, just not nearly as proven.
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What kind of player can we expect derozan to be this year? How bout bargnani?
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DeMar is my guy and I say this with all honesty... he shocked me at how much he improved as a shooter since the end of the year... His form looks good, his release is smoother... he has a lot more confidence in the shot.

I am not ready to call him an All-Star or anything, but his ceiling is much higher than I thought at the end of the season and I consider him a friend.

Bargs, I am not as sold on... I hope he has an Andrew Bogut type break out year, where he looks like a top pick... he has the situation for it, but based solely on his tools, he should be a Dirk Nowitzki type player and he's not nearly that good.

But here is the thing - its his team this year. Its about where he wants to go and what he wants to be known for. Bosh is gone and the offense is totally in his hands.

So I think we'll see really quickly if he's ready to be the franchise player, because that's what a top pick should be this far into his career.
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Old 08-11-2010, 02:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd have to say his opinions mirror mine.

This is the year Bargnani either does, or does not.

And Demar DeRozan? I think he has All Star potential.

This is why all these guys calling for 10 -15 wins.... I'm just not sold on their reasoning.

Reminds me of the old Nique era Hawks..... they were nobodies, but they were young and hungry and they put together a few really nice seasons.
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Old 08-11-2010, 02:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'd have to say his opinions mirror mine.

This is the year Bargnani either does, or does not.

And Demar DeRozan? I think he has All Star potential.

This is why all these guys calling for 10 -15 wins.... I'm just not sold on their reasoning.

Reminds me of the old Nique era Hawks..... they were nobodies, but they were young and hungry and they put together a few really nice seasons.
those hawks had Nique, we have Kleiza at SF
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I'd have to say his opinions mirror mine.

This is the year Bargnani either does, or does not.

And Demar DeRozan? I think he has All Star potential.

This is why all these guys calling for 10 -15 wins.... I'm just not sold on their reasoning.

Reminds me of the old Nique era Hawks..... they were nobodies, but they were young and hungry and they put together a few really nice seasons.
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10-15 wins is silly to me.

Bosh & Turk out, TPE, Kleiza, Barbosa, Davis in. Not that bad imo. We have many players that can score, which won't/shouldn't be an issue. It's up to P.J, and yes Triano to teach defence and show some continuity with the rotation and not be all over the map. I predict Derozan will average 11-12ppg. I still say Jose is as good as gone, BC said at the end of the season that one would be dealt, and he already trieds to deal Calderon. BC isn't done yet.
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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will get to bout 25-30 wins, can't see much more than that unless Bargs really has an all star year.
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I don't agree with people calling less than 25 wins. But I also disagree with the people calling 35 and over. Losing Bosh is a big blow. Say what you want about him killing ball movement, but he's the only guy who commanded a double team. Now players like Jack, DeRozan and Weems will have to work one-on-one, unlike some of the looks when they were wide open. So unless we make a move for a respectable player, I don't see us getting over 35 wins.
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I don't agree with people calling less than 25 wins. But I also disagree with the people calling 35 and over. Losing Bosh is a big blow. Say what you want about him killing ball movement, but he's the only guy who commanded a double team. Now players like Jack, DeRozan and Weems will have to work one-on-one, unlike some of the looks when they were wide open. So unless we make a move for a respectable player, I don't see us getting over 35 wins.
Pretty much someone on every team commands a double team late in games (Their highest scorer). Bargnani will be that guy this season, especially if he has a good start. It'll be up to him to be able to pass out of those double teams and kick it to Barbosa, Kleiza, DD, Jack and others.
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I would be right in there with the sentiments if defense didn't matter. Bargnani is going to have to prove himself on that end as well, and they are just going to need to find another Chandler for Jose type of deal.

I refute the idea that it was all about Bosh last season. Bargnani had a hell of a lot of shots as well. The problem was more about a general lack of balance, with so little coming from the backcourt. Jose had every opportunity to take more shots last season, after getting the ball back from Bosh or Bargnani, and consistently turned them down. He simply didn't have the confidence. So I think that leaves a question as to just how much Demar can show us in addressing that imbalance.
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I don't agree with people calling less than 25 wins. But I also disagree with the people calling 35 and over. Losing Bosh is a big blow. Say what you want about him killing ball movement, but he's the only guy who commanded a double team. Now players like Jack, DeRozan and Weems will have to work one-on-one, unlike some of the looks when they were wide open. So unless we make a move for a respectable player, I don't see us getting over 35 wins.
Surely, the half court offense is a bit more difficult but they can certainly run. I don't see the Raptors struggling at all on offense, it'll just be more pick and rolls for Jack/Jose and Bargnani/Amir or drive and kicks.
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I would be right in there with the sentiments if defense didn't matter. Bargnani is going to have to prove himself on that end as well, and they are just going to need to find another Chandler for Jose type of deal.

I refute the idea that it was all about Bosh last season. Bargnani had a hell of a lot of shots as well. The problem was more about a general lack of balance, with so little coming from the backcourt. Jose had every opportunity to take more shots last season, after getting the ball back from Bosh or Bargnani, and consistently turned them down. He simply didn't have the confidence. So I think that leaves a question as to just how much Demar can show us in addressing that imbalance.
I agree. But i also think that Barbosa, Kleiza and even Weems can be weapons. Offensive production shouldn't be a major issue. Defense though might still be because we still have Triano.
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I agree. But i also think that Barbosa, Kleiza and even Weems can be weapons. Offensive production shouldn't be a major issue. Defense though might still be because we still have Triano.
We still have Triano, and we still have huge holes in any defensive schemes Triano might actually come up with. And if guys don't find decent roles on offense, then the weapons are just going amount to a lot of chucking. I think they'll have some good nights on that end, but when everything is so wide open regarding roles, there are going to be some ugly nights as well.

Just heading in the right direction, and gaining some clarity as to who is swimming and who is sinking, is going to be a positive.
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Offensive production shouldn't be a major issue
Common misconception from people wanting Calderon gone. Last year it was Jose and Hedo making offense work.
Maybe someone can pull stats about off efficiency without them, I'm sure it'll be horrible.
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I would be right in there with the sentiments if defense didn't matter. Bargnani is going to have to prove himself on that end as well, and they are just going to need to find another Chandler for Jose type of deal.

I refute the idea that it was all about Bosh last season. Bargnani had a hell of a lot of shots as well. The problem was more about a general lack of balance, with so little coming from the backcourt. Jose had every opportunity to take more shots last season, after getting the ball back from Bosh or Bargnani, and consistently turned them down. He simply didn't have the confidence. So I think that leaves a question as to just how much Demar can show us in addressing that imbalance.
The lack of defence with Bosh never seemed to bother you?
Plus Bargs is better defensively than Bosh.
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Common misconception from people wanting Calderon gone. Last year it was Jose and Hedo making offense work.
Maybe someone can pull stats about off efficiency without them, I'm sure it'll be horrible.
Huhh!

Our best stretch of the season by far was the 6 weeks Jose missed with yet another injury in Dec-Jan. And Hedo......
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Parker would be perfect right now!!

Only after loosing Jose I am a little worried about our 3 point shooting
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Parker would be perfect right now!!

Only after loosing Jose I am a little worried about our 3 point shooting
I wouldn't worry too much. We still have the likes of Jack, Kleiza and Bargnani.
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Parker would be perfect right now!!

Only after loosing Jose I am a little worried about our 3 point shooting
i think it could be healthy for this team to have to learn how to cope without it. if anything it could facilitate a culture change, less reliance on the long-range game. based on what's already transpired this summer this team is already heading in that direction. live and die by the jump shot, and this team has done more dying than living.
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