HOOPSWORLD: Is Bargnani Living Up To The Hype?
Old 11-29-2009, 08:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Being a number one overall pick in the NBA is never easy. The pressure and expectations can be overwhelming. No one knows that better than Toronto Raptors forward Andrea Bargnani.

"It's a lot of pressure, but overall it was just a nice thing," said Bargnani. "It was my dream. It was a beautiful thing. Yeah, the media and everybody was on me but for no reason because I never played. I knew that I didn't have the chance to prove what I was able to do. It was just a matter of time."

To say he didn't play is probably a bit of an overstatement considering Bargnani played in 65 games during his rookie season in 2006-07 and averaged 25 minutes per game. In his second season Bargnani played in 78 games and averaged just short of 24 minutes per contest. Last season his minutes jumped up to 31 per game.

"I did make a big jump last year because it was the first time I played," Bargnani explained. "I never played before. Playing more minutes is why my numbers went up."

This season Bargnani is averaging career-highs in both points (16.8) and rebounds (6.4) and has started all 17 of Toronto's games heading into play on Sunday. While the aforementioned numbers are solid, they aren't exactly All-Star numbers that justify Bargnani's billing as the top pick in the 2006 NBA Draft, either.

"I love to be a player that can do a little bit of everything and that's what I'm trying to do," said Bargnani. "I've still got to get better on the low-post game. I think it's improved a lot from (previous) years. I'm still working on it."

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Old 11-29-2009, 10:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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perhaps if he realised that he can do things in the low post, as we've seen when his confidence is high, then we'll say hes even near to the hype. all i want is for Bargs to locate his balls and maybe be called andy instead of andrea
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"I've still got to get better on the low-post game. I think it's improved a lot from (previous) years. I'm still working on it."

If he's serious about this, that's a really good sign. I wonder why, if his post game is improved, he's always camping out at the 3. I mean he doesnt even try high post stuff near the foul line... it's ALWAYS the 3.

a 3 or pump fake, one step inside the arc, long 2.
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Old 11-29-2009, 07:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Watching Bargs say he never played is a head-shaker. My only response is this:

Toronto Raptor Andrea Bargnani's pregame ritual
He stretches
He warms up
And then he has his pregame meal
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Old 11-30-2009, 12:24 AM   #5 (permalink)
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his strength was no way near nba calibre, which is why he was unable to do anything in the post. Last year it was the first time when he's started to show he can push SFs around, which doesn't sound all that impressive, but it kind of show where he was in the beginning.

I don't think there ever was a case he would play anything but C, but at that time in his career, he was not strong enough to play the position.

This year, he's going to the post often when mismatched against smaller players, but Calderon doesn't seem to trust him, he almost never gives him the ball there. I think that's a mistake, because he's not that bad.

However, the thing that people should try to keep remembering is that Bargnani is not a complete player. He still needs to get a lot stronger, it will take at least 2 more years until he's going to get close to his potential. Look at what adding 20 pounds of muscle did to bosh, and he was fairly strong compared to andrea (among other centers).

As far as the #1 pick, that's just a moronic comment, that year only produced one player like that (roy) - it's nobody's fault that the draft was what it was.
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Old 11-30-2009, 03:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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if you ever see Bargs on both ends when he doesn't have the ball, you can see he is just confused. until he learns how the game is played he will never be good. i mean look at gasol, the guy knows where his teammates are going and moves to where ever they need him b4 the dribble even starts.
gallinari looks better then bargs, because hes not just a shooter.
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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2006 Draft - Top 10
1 Andrea Bargnani - 17.2 p 6.4 r 1.1 a
2 LaMarcus Aldridge - 14.9 p 7.5 r 1.7 a
3 Adam Morrison - 1.8 p 1.3 a .4 a
4 Tyrus Thomas - 8.3 p 5.3 r .3 a
5 Shelden Williams - 5.2 p 4.1 r .6 a
6 Brandon Roy - 19.7 , 4.4 r 5.2 a
7 Randy Foye - 8.5 p , 1.7 r, 1.5 a
8 Rudy Gay - 20.7 p , 6.9 r , 1.9 a
9 Patrick O'Bryant - 2.7 p , 1.0 r , 0
10 Mouhamed Sene - Not in NBA

Looking at the list hes still top 3 in the draft , just saying people should give him a break.
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I was thinking about this exact thing the other day. He has always talked so much about his minutes. And the more I thought about it, the more it pissed me off. The guy wants the minutes, but he seems to have no expectations of ever deserving those minutes or earning those minutes. He has no sense of how minutes where he's a liability overall might make it hard for the team to stick with him enough to give him the kind of minutes that he is ultimately demanding in a passive-aggressive manner whenever he talks to the press.

How about saying something about how the minutes don't matter as much as having an impact, making the needed sacrifices, and doing everything he can to help the team whenever he is on the floor? Do we ever hear that? No. From Rasho yes. Bargnani clearly has learned nothing from Rasho. So here's an idea. Start Rasho. And don't talk to me about Bargnani's confidence. That's the other kind of talk that really pisses me off.
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2006 Draft - Top 10
1 Andrea Bargnani - 17.2 p 6.4 r 1.1 a
2 LaMarcus Aldridge - 14.9 p 7.5 r 1.7 a
3 Adam Morrison - 1.8 p 1.3 a .4 a
4 Tyrus Thomas - 8.3 p 5.3 r .3 a
5 Shelden Williams - 5.2 p 4.1 r .6 a
6 Brandon Roy - 19.7 , 4.4 r 5.2 a
7 Randy Foye - 8.5 p , 1.7 r, 1.5 a
8 Rudy Gay - 20.7 p , 6.9 r , 1.9 a
9 Patrick O'Bryant - 2.7 p , 1.0 r , 0
10 Mouhamed Sene - Not in NBA

Looking at the list hes still top 3 in the draft , just saying people should give him a break.
I cannot fathom how Thomas, Aldridge, Roy, Foye and Gay don't come out ahead of him right now. Maybe Foye is a stretch, but probably not. Top 3 is out of the question altogether, and looking deeper into that draft, I'm sure he drops off further.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:22 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Don't believe the HYPE.
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Old 11-30-2009, 04:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Watching Bargs say he never played is a head-shaker. My only response is this:

Toronto Raptor Andrea Bargnani's pregame ritual
He stretches
He warms up
And then he has his pregame meal
What meal is it tonight?
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Buonitalia
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i LOL'd

barg is a pussy, all he does is shoot outside the arc, and it's not even required, he can def go inside and play some better more attractive and useful basketball, for some reason triano doesn't know this and has probably not told him to get inside the arc more...
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I cannot fathom how Thomas, Aldridge, Roy, Foye and Gay don't come out ahead of him right now. Maybe Foye is a stretch, but probably not. Top 3 is out of the question altogether, and looking deeper into that draft, I'm sure he drops off further.
Foye? Thomas? even Gay? Please, let me know when you watch any of these players play, and then report back. Foye? once I saw that, all credibility is lost with anything that was either previously stated or will be stated in the future. Surely you don't like Bargnani, but give me a break. You have mentioned bums, with exception to Gay, who isn't all that well-rounded either.
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Foye? Thomas? even Gay? Please, let me know when you watch any of these players play, and then report back. Foye? once I saw that, all credibility is lost with anything that was either previously stated or will be stated in the future. Surely you don't like Bargnani, but give me a break. You have mentioned bums, with exception to Gay, who isn't all that well-rounded either.
You know there are two sides to basketball right? Offence and Defence?

A player who is an "A" on offence and an "F" on defence averages a C for his team.
A player who is a "C+" on O and D, averages a C+. It's pretty simple.
And if the team already has enough offensive firepower.. a C+ on defensive is more important than an F.

That being said though, and I dont like Bargs too much, he's way better than Foye.
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Foye? Thomas? even Gay? Please, let me know when you watch any of these players play, and then report back. Foye? once I saw that, all credibility is lost with anything that was either previously stated or will be stated in the future. Surely you don't like Bargnani, but give me a break. You have mentioned bums, with exception to Gay, who isn't all that well-rounded either.

Rudy Gay. First of all he rebounds more than Bargnani at the small Forward Position. He gives you twenty points a game. People say Rudy Gay is a chucker. A chucker is a volume shooter who shoots a low percentage. A nice description for Bargnani's first two and half years in the league. Rudy Gay has shot .461, .453, and is shooting .500 this season. Take out his rookie season, Rudy has given you 20.1 pts, 18.9pts, and 20.7 pts per season and shooting at a high percentage. People say Bosh needs help, Rudy Gay will give you 20 pts per game and 7 boards. Give Raptors Rudy Gay, and take out Bargnani and give Bosh a Center to do the Dirty Work (Marc Gasol), and we'll be there fighting for home court advantage in the playoffs instead of fighting for a playoff spot.
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You know there are two sides to basketball right? Offence and Defence?

A player who is an "A" on offence and an "F" on defence averages a C for his team.
A player who is a "C+" on O and D, averages a C+. It's pretty simple.
And if the team already has enough offensive firepower.. a C+ on defensive is more important than an F.

That being said though, and I dont like Bargs too much, he's way better than Foye.
I'm well aware, and neither Foye or Gay could wholeheartedly be argued as a far better defensive option than Bargnani. I know Bargnani is a really poor defender, and it disturbs me as much as you, but his deficiencies on the defensive end still don't put him behind those players.

I understand your equation, yet if you were to call up any of those teams and offer Bargnani, they would trade for him. He is quite simply far more valuable than the aforementioned players.
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Rudy Gay. First of all he rebounds more than Bargnani at the small Forward Position. He gives you twenty points a game. People say Rudy Gay is a chucker. A chucker is a volume shooter who shoots a low percentage. A nice description for Bargnani's first two and half years in the league. Rudy Gay has shot .461, .453, and is shooting .500 this season. Take out his rookie season, Rudy has given you 20.1 pts, 18.9pts, and 20.7 pts per season and shooting at a high percentage. People say Bosh needs help, Rudy Gay will give you 20 pts per game and 7 boards. Give Raptors Rudy Gay, and take out Bargnani and give Bosh a Center to do the Dirty Work (Marc Gasol), and we'll be there fighting for home court advantage in the playoffs instead of fighting for a playoff spot.
Marc Gasol would have to appear out of nowhere to make that work. Though, I wouldn't disagree with that, but again Marc Gasol and Rudy Gay are two pieces not one. I wouldn't take just Gay over Barg, and I doubt Colangelo would either. Regardless, I remember I guy names Mike James who shot at a high percentage and scored a lot on a poor, poor team, same with Ricky Davis. I guess you could put Bargnani in that class this season, if we fail to improve. Gay's not bad, but not more valuable than Barg.
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Marc Gasol would have to appear out of nowhere to make that work. Though, I wouldn't disagree with that, but again Marc Gasol and Rudy Gay are two pieces not one. I wouldn't take just Gay over Barg, and I doubt Colangelo would either. Regardless, I remember I guy names Mike James who shot at a high percentage and scored a lot on a poor, poor team, same with Ricky Davis. I guess you could put Bargnani in that class this season, if we fail to improve. Gay's not bad, but not more valuable than Barg.
Mike James did it for one year. Rudy has done it for a couple of years and started it at the young age of 21. Gay is more valuable than Bargnani. Bargnani is struggling on a consistency basis to give you the production that Rudy Gay has given you since his sophmore year in the NBA. Plus Rudy Gay rebounds and shoots a higher percentage. People will say that Bargnani shoots more 3 pointers to explain the lower shooting%. I'd rather have a player who takes it to the rim more than player who hangs out in the perimeter any day.
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