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Old 04-04-2011, 01:42 PM   #61 (permalink)
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It's true, we need to trade him for someone averaging over 20ppg, grabbing 10 boards, getting 6 blocks a game, AND shutting down the other teams centre.

Him, and our second rounder this year should do it.
i said nothing about trading him cuz i know his trade value around the league is shit. anytime the raps get any pub around the league is always about how soft Bargnani is and his horrible defense and rebounding.
so that is part of the frustration, is that he sucks and theres basically nothing be can do except hope something miraculously clicks in his head. otherwise we are stuck with him.
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i also would not be surprised if our team is like denver's in the regard that we get rid of our best player but end up being a better TEAM. i'm not jumping to conclusions cuz the sample size is small, but all i'm saying is i wouldn't be surprised if that were the case
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It's true, we need to trade him for someone averaging over 20ppg, grabbing 10 boards, getting 6 blocks a game, AND shutting down the other teams centre.

Him, and our second rounder this year should do it.
I'd settle for a guy that offers some resistance on defense. But of course it's called basketball - not resistball.

Those 20ppg come at the expense of a lot of shots, and we've yet to see him be integrated into much of a cohesive unit outside of a few games. How many times have we seen him toss up a half-hearted 3-point attempt that the other team takes the other way for an easy basket? Unfortunately his offense is as problematic as anything else, and riddled with inconsistencies.
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i said nothing about trading him cuz i know his trade value around the league is shit. anytime the raps get any pub around the league is always about how soft Bargnani is and his horrible defense and rebounding.
so that is part of the frustration, is that he sucks and theres basically nothing be can do except hope something miraculously clicks in his head. otherwise we are stuck with him.
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i also would not be surprised if our team is like denver's in the regard that we get rid of our best player but end up being a better TEAM. i'm not jumping to conclusions cuz the sample size is small, but all i'm saying is i wouldn't be surprised if that were the case
Oh so we are just complaining in general then?

I wish Bargs was better on defence and rebounding

I wish Derozan would get to the line more

I wish Weems wasn't a giant bag of shit who spent too much time reading his own press

I wish Amir Johnson didn't have 3 fouls before he even entered a game

I wish Vince and Tracey stayed together

I wish Reggie Evans could make a lay-up

I wish I had more hair..


Then....Then things would be great.
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I'd settle for a guy that offers some resistance on defense. But of course it's called basketball - not resistball.

Those 20ppg come at the expense of a lot of shots, and we've yet to see him be integrated into much of a cohesive unit outside of a few games. How many times have we seen him toss up a half-hearted 3-point attempt that the other team takes the other way for an easy basket? Unfortunately his offense is as problematic as anything else, and riddled with inconsistencies.
We will just have to dissagre on this. We are a team with a bunch of young guys, trying to make their mark. Nobody has been in a cohesive unit. Bayless, Jose, Derozan Weems...they all fucking take shots they shouldn't.

We suck...it is not because of Bargs alone
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:51 PM   #65 (permalink)
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The sad part is that even without giving a shit, Bargnani is still our best player by far ... I think Bargnani is as good as gone this summer, if a good offer comes up. The problem is not he won't fit on many teams, he would be gold on the magic, but what could they give us in return?
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It's true, we need to trade him for someone averaging over 20ppg, grabbing 10 boards, getting 6 blocks a game, AND shutting down the other teams centre.

Him, and our second rounder this year should do it.
I would settle for guy who gets you 10-12 pts, 10 rebs, and actually plays defense. I could name you more than 11 centers in the league that would net you more wins if they were the staring centre for the Raps. So what if he scores 22 pts per game taking 18 shots per game. Raps can always score, it'll will mean more shots for other players. We lost Bosh's 24 pts per game this year, our team is still in the top 10 in scoring.

Al Horford, Nene, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Cousins, Hibbert, Andrew Bynum, Brook Lopez, McGee, Kendrick Perkins, Monroe

OH yeah, by the way, all these centers have the same salary as Bargnani or even less.
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Oh so we are just complaining in general then?

I wish Bargs was better on defence and rebounding

I wish Derozan would get to the line more

I wish Weems wasn't a giant bag of shit who spent too much time reading his own press

I wish Amir Johnson didn't have 3 fouls before he even entered a game

I wish Vince and Tracey stayed together

I wish Reggie Evans could make a lay-up

I wish I had more hair..


Then....Then things would be great.
so ur balding? or bald?
leading me to think ur late 30s? early 40s?
ur post leads me to think that you are extremely immature.

this is purely based on my guess at ur age
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I would settle for guy who gets you 10-12 pts, 10 rebs, and actually plays defense. I could name you more than 11 centers in the league that would net you more wins if they were the staring centre for the Raps. So what if he scores 22 pts per game taking 18 shots per game. Raps can always score, it'll will mean more shots for other players. We lost Bosh's 24 pts per game this year, our team is still in the top 10 in scoring.

Al Horford, Nene, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Cousins, Hibbert, Andrew Bynum, Brook Lopez, McGee, Kendrick Perkins, Monroe

OH yeah, by the way, all these centers have the same salary as Bargnani or even less.
Horford, NeNe, Gasol, Bynum, Lopez I agree....so does every GM in the league.

If you are suggesting we unload him for Hibbert, McGee, Monroe....you need to stop sniffing glue.
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It's true, we need to trade him for someone averaging over 20ppg, grabbing 10 boards, getting 6 blocks a game, AND shutting down the other teams centre.

Him, and our second rounder this year should do it.
I could care less if our Center scores 20ppg. I'm sick and tired of having our go to guy being 6'10- 7' big. Our go to guy should not be a PF or Center. I would be happy with a Center that plays defence, rebounds and gets to line, not needing plays run for him and not getting off 18-20 shots up per game and not shoot just 44%.

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We will just have to dissagre on this. We are a team with a bunch of young guys, trying to make their mark. Nobody has been in a cohesive unit. Bayless, Jose, Derozan Weems...they all fucking take shots they shouldn't.

We suck...it is not because of Bargs alone
I don't disagree with that entirely. But Bargnani as the guy that leads the offense, needs to make that offense more effective for other guys as well. I've seen that happen with other guys that do a little more than try to make their mark, and I would hazard to guess that they find less of a need to make their mark when Bargnani does not play. Bargnani struggles to keep things rolling for himself, let alone anyone else.

Davis, Johnson, Johnson, quite often DeRozan and sometimes Bayless, take very good shots and also look to create for others.
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so ur balding? or bald?
leading me to think ur late 30s? early 40s?
ur post leads me to think that you are extremely immature.

this is purely based on my guess at ur age
Your posts are filled with the word "cuz", just saying "cuz" that tells me you have yet to take the time to master the English language

This is purely my guess based at you intellect.

My point was intentionally nonconstructive as most of this thread is.

Now "is this team more fun to watch without Bargs?"

That would be a good thread, instead of just re-hashing how Bargs should play better.
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I don't disagree with that entirely. But Bargnani as the guy that leads the offense, needs to make that offense more effective for other guys as well. I've seen that happen with other guys that do a little more than try to make their mark, and I would hazard to guess that they find less of a need to make their mark when Bargnani does not play. Bargnani struggles to keep things rolling for himself, let alone anyone else.

Davis, Johnson, Johnson, quite often DeRozan and sometimes Bayless, take very good shots and also look to create for others.
Yep, there was a time though that he was an excellent passer, and a great piece of an offense. Perhaps a great number 2 guy. I just think the outright bashing of the guy and blaming the teams woes on him is silly.

We suck, we are young and it is ok. Does Bargs fit into the future plans?

Maybe, Maybe not, my guess is it would all depend on who is brought in over the next 20 months or so.
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I could care less if our Center scores 20ppg. I'm sick and tired of having our go to guy being 6'10- 7' big. Our go to guy should not be a PF or Center. I would be happy with a Center that plays defence, rebounds and gets to line, not needing plays run for him and not getting off 18-20 shots up per game and shooting 44%.
Our go to guy should not be a center or not be Bargs?

You would like a centre that plays defence, rebounds, gets to the line and shoot 44%? Hell me too, but we better have someone who can fill it up then, and as of yet, we don't.
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Horford, NeNe, Gasol, Bynum, Lopez I agree....so does every GM in the league.

If you are suggesting we unload him for Hibbert, McGee, Monroe....you need to stop sniffing glue.
Read my post carefully, I said 10 or more centers that would have have given you more wins. And yes, if you're talking about the overall player (defense and offense) and what they bring to floor, yes these players will give you more wins. These players today and even in their fifth year in the NBA, will have a bigger impact on wins / losses for their respective teams than Bargnani.
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Read my post carefully, I said 10 or more centers that would have have given you more wins. And yes, if you're talking about the overall player (defense and offense) and what they bring to floor, yes these players will give you more wins. These players today and even in their fifth year in the NBA, will have a bigger impact on wins / losses for their respective teams than Bargnani.
I can name 10 or more SF's that would have given you more wins

'ibid' PF's

'ibid' PG's

'ibid' SG's

Great point.
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Your posts are filled with the word "cuz", just saying "cuz" that tells me you have yet to take the time to master the English language

This is purely my guess based at you intellect.

My point was intentionally nonconstructive as most of this thread is.

Now "is this team more fun to watch without Bargs?"
That would be a good thread, instead of just re-hashing how Bargs should play better.
yes it is. it is way less frustrating.
we are a young team so watching them make mistakes is alright we me "because" (just for you benzo) its part of the growing pains and learning experience. at least our young guys play hard and their mistakes are due to inexperience. whereas Bargs is due to bad habits and lazyness.
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I can name 10 or more SF's that would have given you more wins

'ibid' PF's

'ibid' PG's

'ibid' SG's

Great point.
This from a guy trying to justify Bargnani contract by giving you the 5 or 6 worst contracts in the NBA. I countered by giving more than 10 players who actually play the same position as Bargnani, and make less money!!
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This from a guy trying to justify Bargnani contract by giving you the 5 or 6 worst contracts in the NBA. I countered by giving more than 10 players who actually play the same position as Bargnani, and make less money!!
His contract is easy to justify, and I only pulled people making between 7-9 million.

I countered by telling you your argument was asinine, you suggested we would "win more games if we had a better centre"...I simply stated we would have won more game if we had better players at every position.
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This from a guy trying to justify Bargnani contract by giving you the 5 or 6 worst contracts in the NBA. I countered by giving more than 10 players who actually play the same position as Bargnani, and make less money!!
They make less money because they're on rookie contracts
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His contract is easy to justify, and I only pulled people making between 7-9 million.

I countered by telling you your argument was asinine, you suggested we would "win more games if we had a better centre"...I simply stated we would have won more game if we had better players at every position.
No beefs Benzo. You D man.

I don't know about his contract. I am more cautious on his influence on the young team. Someone getting the majority of the shots, and have no accountability on defense. To change the defensive atmosphere on this team, you get rid of its team leader.
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