Hollinger rates the raps roster
Old 11-28-2011, 01:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ed Davis:
Nonetheless, his high shooting percentage and low turnover rate as a rookie suggest he may not advance much in the next year or two -- most rookies with that statistical profile make little or no progress in Year 2. It is likely those numbers will regress to the mean, so even if he develops in other areas his PER is likely to stay in the same neighborhood.


DeRozan:
Defensively, DeRozan has some tools but has yet to use them and didn't seem terribly interested in figuring out how he might do so; one wonders how much was him and how much was the laissez-faire culture in Toronto.

Nonetheless, wing players who can get a point every two minutes don't grow on trees, and it was only DeRozan's second season. His game still has major flaws, but it also has major strengths; if he can just become mediocre-to-average in the weak areas, he'll be a star.


Bayless:
Defensively, Bayless picks up cheap fouls trying to pressure opponents -- only five point guards fouled with greater frequency, yet he hardly ever stole the ball. He also struggled in pick-and-roll defense and staying with quicker guards; overall, Synergy Stats rated him the second-worst point guard. Partly that's because he didn't have much help from the crew behind him, but the lack of a good place to hide him remains the biggest obstacle to playing time for Bayless. He has the offensive chops to be, at worst, a solid third guard, but the permissive D may keep him in a lesser role.


James Johnson:
Johnson can finish and draw fouls, however, and defensively he's shown some intriguing skills. He led all small forwards in blocks per minute and had a very solid rebound rate, but he also had the fifth-highest foul rate at his position. Similarly, he offset a high rate of steals with myriad gambles that ended with him at the half-court circle and his man hanging on the rim.


Bargnani:
The biggest challenge for Dwane Casey will be getting Bargnani to quit being such a wimp. His defensive stats are absolutely pathetic. Last season the Raptors were 6.45 points per 100 possessions worse with him on the court, while the year before the differential was 9.10. And that's the best set of numbers on his résumé.

Want more? Among centers he was last in both blocks per minute and rebounds, and sixth from the bottom in steals. According to 82games.com, Bargnani was savaged by opposing centers for a 21.1 PER; essentially, an average center became an All-Star at the mere sight of Bargnani.

Wait, it gets worse. Using regularized adjusted plus-minus, Bargnani was the worst defensive big man in the entire league last season. Technically, there are two different ways to do this method -- one here and one here; conveniently, both had Bargnani as the league's worst defensive frontcourt player.


Jose:
Both subjectively and statistically, Calderon's defense improved in 2010-11. But it's not like it could have become worse. Calderon at least made offensive players take a more circuitous path around him, which would have given his bigs more time to help at the rim had they been interested in such a concept. Still, Synergy Stats rated him the league's third-worst point guard last season.


Amir:
I was skeptical of Johnson's contract because I didn't think he could stay on the floor long enough to make his high-percentage shooting of much benefit. But last season he cut the fouls enough to average 25.7 minutes per game; while his defense remained a negative, his 17.67 PER offset it.

Johnson still fouls way too much -- only seven power forwards were found guilty more often -- but his rate of one every 7.0 minutes at least makes it plausible to start him. Johnson was also guilty of the defensive lowlight of the year for Toronto, which is saying something given this team's porous D: Against New Jersey, he allowed the ponderously slow Brook Lopez to catch the ball at midcourt, breeze past him off the dribble and dunk on Andrea Bargnani.


Jonas:
Valanciunas' translated European stats suggest he'll be solid player right away, and given that he's only 19 he could become a star. As a finisher around the basket he reminds one of Andris Biedrins, back when Biedrins was still alive, but Valanciunas has a better frame and one hopes he'll be able to pack more muscle on to it as he grows. Additionally, Valanciunas is a good foul shooter -- a notable contrast to Biedrins -- and could be a solid midrange shooter as a pro.

He'll spend this season in Lithuania and will likely struggle to check opposing post players initially when he comes to the U.S., but to get a center with star potential with the fifth pick was a great move for the Raptors.

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Old 11-28-2011, 04:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"an average center became an All-Star at the mere sight of Bargnani."

"Bargnani as the league's worst defensive frontcourt player."


Raptor fans already know this. The sooner the guy has a reduced role on the team (bench player) or gets traded, the better off for the franchise. I really hope the Raps gets a center during free agency. Jonas is coming next year and will need time to develop. Who wants to see Amir and Ed Davis guard centers again because we have pussy seven footer who wants to play offense and shoot jump shots.
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Nice, I actually agree with just about everything he said. Except the bit on Davis, I think Davis can improve a bit this season.
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"an average center became an All-Star at the mere sight of Bargnani."

"Bargnani as the league's worst defensive frontcourt player."


Raptor fans already know this. The sooner the guy has a reduced role on the team (bench player) or gets traded, the better off for the franchise. I really hope the Raps gets a center during free agency. Jonas is coming next year and will need time to develop. Who wants to see Amir and Ed Davis guard centers again because we have pussy seven footer who wants to play offense and shoot jump shots.
It still looks like AB will have one more chance to show he can cut it defensively this season, baring a trade before the season starts...

But who would want AB?
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It still looks like AB will have one more chance to show he can cut it defensively this season, baring a trade before the season starts...

But who would want AB?
we can probably get a pick if anything. we almost do joase for chandler, and got barbosa for turk
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Hopefully both Andrea and Demar show some life on the defensive side this year.... it's time to see it and hopefully Casey can bring it out. Selling low should be everyone's last option.
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Hopefully both Andrea and Demar show some life on the defensive side this year.... it's time to see it and hopefully Casey can bring it out. Selling low should be everyone's last option.
hopefully the entire team shows some life on the defensive side this year
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hopefully the entire team shows some life on the defensive side this year
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hopefully the entire team shows some life on the defensive side this year
thats what im looking out for most this season
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AB deserves better than this...
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AB deserves better than this...
Hollinger loves his system... you have to expect it even though it means very little.
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AB deserves better than this...
He's so right about Bargnani and it's sad.
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I never knew AB was that bad on the defensive end, jeez kinda sad
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I like what he said about DeRozan there. It is kind of a make it or break it type of year for him. Will he finally show the commitment needed on the defensive end and the offensive awareness to take that next step or will he just be 'a guy'.
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I like what he said about DeRozan there. It is kind of a make it or break it type of year for him. Will he finally show the commitment needed on the defensive end and the offensive awareness to take that next step or will he just be 'a guy'.
Even then, he'll only be 22 (I think). If he can continue to improve at least a little bit, I can continue to be patient. I just don't want to see him plateau this year.

Side note: The kid can score 18 a game at this age with no range and no handles. It's hard to maintain my skepticism sometimes.
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re Bargnani: Isn't it a little premature to be dreaming up trade scenerios involving him when we just landed a supposed defensive guru of a coach? Lpet's see what Casey can make of him first. The thing about Bargnani is that he himself has looked like an allstar at times on the offensive end. He's got too much talent to be just throwing it away.
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re Bargnani: Isn't it a little premature to be dreaming up trade scenerios involving him when we just landed a supposed defensive guru of a coach? Lpet's see what Casey can make of him first. The thing about Bargnani is that he himself has looked like an allstar at times on the offensive end. He's got too much talent to be just throwing it away.
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Even then, he'll only be 22 (I think). If he can continue to improve at least a little bit, I can continue to be patient. I just don't want to see him plateau this year.

Side note: The kid can score 18 a game at this age with no range and no handles. It's hard to maintain my skepticism sometimes.
exactly how i feel, when that 3 point shot starts coming around like his mid range did this year, hes going to be dangerous.
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Hollinger leaves an impression that Raptors are assembled of NBA worst defenders. There are a couple that are truly bad, Bargnani and PGs and they drag everyone else D ratings down.
Don't think JJ, Amir, Derozan are guilty.
New system and new rotation could fix that.
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Hollinger leaves an impression that Raptors are assembled of NBA worst defenders. There are a couple that are truly bad, Bargnani and PGs and they drag everyone else D ratings down.
Don't think JJ, Amir, Derozan are guilty.
New system and new rotation could fix that.
If Stephen Curry can become a decent defender, so can DeRozan. That said, if you are good, it shows.
Going back to Curry, he was one of maybe two decent defenders on the GSW roster this year (the other being the SF guy who came from Miami, forgot the name), and you could clearly see it. Despite everyone else not giving a shit around them.
I never looked at DeRozan and Amir on defense and thought that they were at least average.
So I think they are guilty as much as everyone else and will need to improve a lot.
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