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Old 02-22-2008, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Not that I really care what Hollinger thinks, because I personally don't think its all that big of a deal in the first place, but Hollinger doesn't like yesterday's deal from a Toronto perspective.

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For Detroit: It's a mild upgrade from the totally useless Brezec to the mildly useful Dixon -- if rookies Arron Afflalo or Rodney Stuckey lose their heads during the playoffs, he can come in and settle things down. Well, as much as things can "settle down" when he's jacking up every 20-footer he gets a halfway clean look at. But he's a better shooter than Flip Murray, at least. Grade: A-

For Toronto: The Euraptors were crestfallen when they acquired Dixon at the deadline last year and found out he was American. Exchanging him for Brezec fixes that nagging problem.

Also, Brezec is huge, and Toronto is desperate for size at the moment. But he's been horrid in his limited appearances the past two seasons. Personally, I'd rather have the guy who can play a little. Grade: C+
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You cant really be a fan of that deal. It doesnt change anything for us and likely doesnt change anything for them either. Theres obviously more of a chance Dixon has an impact than Brezec but thats not really the point of the deal.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Just a little, obvious, side-note: if there is a team that could resurrect Brezec's career, Toronto is it. Not only do we have Rasho (his compatriot playing the same position) to teach him and make him more comfortable, we have a team that is willing to share the ball and has a need that Brezec could potentially fill - rebounding off the bench - while still being able to make an open mid-range shot.

Not to mention that we've exchanged another American for a European.

Nothing against Americans, mind you, but with the continuous disdane for playing in the foreign country coming from south of the border, the "EuroRaptors" sounds more and more appealing...
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Just a little, obvious, side-note: if there is a team that could resurrect Brezec's career, Toronto is it. Not only do we have Rasho (his compatriot playing the same position) to teach him and make him more comfortable, we have a team that is willing to share the ball and has a need that Brezec could potentially fill - rebounding off the bench - while still being able to make an open mid-range shot.

Not to mention that we've exchanged another American for a European.

Nothing against Americans, mind you, but with the continuous disdane for playing in the foreign country coming from south of the border, the "EuroRaptors" sounds more and more appealing...
AND the biggest plus of the whole deal...


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Old 02-22-2008, 12:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm a fan.

for a few reasons.

But lets just let it play out.

#1 reason why I'm a fan.... YOU CAN"T LOSE!!!!

Dixon sucks.

Badly.

Hollinger just forgot how badly.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You cant really be a fan of that deal. It doesnt change anything for us and likely doesnt change anything for them either.
Sure, it changes a few things. Changes the locker room atmosphere, changes the crowd's atmosphere towards the team(when Dixon is on the floor) and more importantly, Brezec is more of a useable "non-useable" player.
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Old 02-22-2008, 01:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i like it.
dixon's time here was over.
it got worse as time went on because fans actually started disliking the guy.
i mean, how do you like a guy who is small, cant run the point, and chucks every chance he gets.... and misses.
it was a no-brainer really.
and its not like he wasnt given any oppurtunity.
he was given time to play PG for short bursts and failed... badly.

brezec will add to the euro "feel", and also help out in size.
we can throw him in there to foul guys, grab boards, and use him as a clog.

he probably wont play much, but when he does, i guarantee he's more useful than Juan would ever be.
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Old 02-22-2008, 02:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The guy has been absolutely horrid for 2 years at best from what ive heard. He will be nothing but a practice pylon and a roommate for Rasho.


Ah another Euro u know im loving it like McDonalds fries...
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WHo gives a fuck what Holliger thinks? That's why he's writing and not managing an NBA team.

Dixon made it clear he didn't want to be here, so why keep him here? Brezec is another warm big body for the playoffs when we'll face a team with a lot of bigs. Brezec's contract runs out at the end of the season, so it's not like we're taking him on long term. So what's not to like? BC wasn't going to get Artest or Marion for Dixon.
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This deal is just a security if Bosh or Bargnani go down for extended period of time... you can still play Rasho, Hump, Baston & Brezec... this might turn out to be deal that does nothing but it could also be a deal like Haffa for Hump... decent.

I think that main reason they shipped Dixon was just to remove unhappy guy from their locker room... Raps have lot of young guys and last thing they need is unhappy vet to be around them.
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Old 02-22-2008, 04:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This deal is just a security if Bosh or Bargnani go down for extended period of time... you can still play Rasho, Hump, Baston & Brezec... this might turn out to be deal that does nothing but it could also be a deal like Haffa for Hump... decent.

I think that main reason they shipped Dixon was just to remove unhappy guy from their locker room... Raps have lot of young guys and last thing they need is unhappy vet to be around them.
lol be real tho, if Bosh goes down there is no security, we are toast.
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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hollinger has a thing with colangelo, everything I read from him points to that. How can you give him a C for this trade, and a similar one with taureen green is considered inconclusive ... I'm pretty sure both dixon and brezec will average 2-3 minutes per game, and neither will be a rotation player. All this trade is bryan getting rid of somebody who doesn't want to be here and rasho getting a companion for those long boring coast to coast flights ...
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:38 PM   #13 (permalink)
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lol be real tho, if Bosh goes down there is no security, we are toast.
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This desperately needs to be addressed.
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:59 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I think we did just fine without him, we are around .500 the past two seasons when Bosh is out (in about ~20 games, which is not a small statistic sample). Coincidentally, we are also at around .500 with Bosh in ...
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
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And to those that question Bryan, just look at Phoenix. Where were they 2 seasons ago, and where they're going. Both D'antoni and Kerr have made mistake after mistake after mistake ... They ran that team into the ground - I wouldn't be shocked if they miss the playoff this season, as shocking as it might sound. You can probably put some of the blame on Sorver (his biggest mistake was letting Colangelo walk away, he's probably crying in his sleep by now), but signing Banks and O'Neal were just mind-boggling, they are exactly the type of player that Phoenix doesn't need, guards who can't shoot and centers who can't run ...
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And to those that question Bryan, just look at Phoenix. Where were they 2 seasons ago, and where they're going. Both D'antoni and Kerr have made mistake after mistake after mistake ... They ran that team into the ground - I wouldn't be shocked if they miss the playoff this season, as shocking as it might sound. You can probably put some of the blame on Sorver (his biggest mistake was letting Colangelo walk away, he's probably crying in his sleep by now), but signing Banks and O'Neal were just mind-boggling, they are exactly the type of player that Phoenix doesn't need, guards who can't shoot and centers who can't run ...
ummm they were a bad suspension away from the finals? They are top or close to top of the league all year? Lol u serious? 1st off Big Cornangelo had a ton to do with that team moreso then byran, 2ndly, the major flaw that team had was lack of inside presence, only one guy that wanted to post, a PG that gets burned asmuch as he burns and a lack of toughness.... remind you of any other teams u know? I think getting Shaq was the best move PHX has made in years, its now or never time and they realized u cant win without a big inside presence or some toughness and D.
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Old 02-23-2008, 01:01 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The team that was a bad suspension is Bryan's team. The results of the last 2 years of activity can only be seen now - I would be really surprised if they win a playoff round this season (again, assuming they make it to the playoffs - it's not a given).

And yes, they need a presence, but not SHAQ. They need somebody like Thomas, good defender with a decent salary - and who can actually keep pace with a fast game. Sure, I heard all the arguments, how phoenix can run with just 4 people, and all that - but the reality is, shaq still has to move faster than he likes. And against teams like GSW or Lakers, Phoenix have no chance now. They are better equipped to deal with Dallas, SA and Houston, true - but Utah, NO, GSW, Denver and LAL are all better teams now imo.
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The team that was a bad suspension is Bryan's team. The results of the last 2 years of activity can only be seen now - I would be really surprised if they win a playoff round this season (again, assuming they make it to the playoffs - it's not a given).

And yes, they need a presence, but not SHAQ. They need somebody like Thomas, good defender with a decent salary - and who can actually keep pace with a fast game. Sure, I heard all the arguments, how phoenix can run with just 4 people, and all that - but the reality is, shaq still has to move faster than he likes. And against teams like GSW or Lakers, Phoenix have no chance now. They are better equipped to deal with Dallas, SA and Houston, true - but Utah, NO, GSW, Denver and LAL are all better teams now imo.
They looked good vs Boston last night... face it, Bryan and his dad built a team that couldnt get the job done, changes were needed.
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And against teams like GSW or Lakers, Phoenix have no chance now. They are better equipped to deal with Dallas, SA and Houston, true - but Utah, NO, GSW, Denver and LAL are all better teams now imo.
i realize that shaq has slowed quite a bit, esp. on the defensive side of things, but i don't think you have factored in the offense. who on GS is gonna stop shaq in the post? biendris is ok, but who knows how he will respond after his recent surgery same goes for utah. boozer is solid, but there is a considerable size difference there. okur doesnt like to bang(insert sexual joke here). NO has chandler and west, who are solid but again, a considerable size difference, esp when you bring amare into the equation. denver has no one down low, they better pray Nene gets back soon. houston is too hot and cold. and dallas has erick dampier. i'm sure shaq is scared of him. i think the only teams that are better than PHX now are the lakers and spurs.

in regards to the kurt thomas addition, they had him last year, and he only got them so far. and hes not much quicker than shaq is.

but thats just my opinion.

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Some more sites that graded Raptors trade.

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TORONTO RAPTORS

What they gave up: Juan Dixon.

What they got: Primoz Brezec, cash.

Analysis: The Raptors had fielded offers for Jason Kapono in an effort to clear cap room to help them re-sign Jose Calderon and Carlos Delfino this summer. Here’s all you need to know why Toronto made the move: “It’s important we have players that want to be here,” Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo said. “Dixon and his representatives made it clear that he didn’t.”

Grade: B.



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Thursday’s trade deadline didn’t past without a Bryan Colangelo trade. The Toronto Raptors sent guard Juan Dixon to the Detroit Pistons in exchange for center Primoz Brezec before the horn sounded on the NBA’s dealing season.

The move makes sense for the Raptors, who have tremendous depth in the backcourt, especially in the weakened Eastern Conference. With Jose Calderon and T.J. Ford on the roster, Dixon wasn’t getting any minutes at point guard. The presence of Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino at shooting guard also kept Juan on the outside looking in.

Dixon, who only played in 36 of Toronto’s 52 games this season, was contributing just 4.3 points and 1.8 assists a night in 11.8 minutes of action. After falling out of the rotation just a week into the season, Dixon got a majority of his time on the court when Ford went down on Dec. 11 versus the Hawks.

With the opportunity to show Colangelo and head coach Sam Mitchell what he could bring to the team, Dixon struggled.

Unneeded in Toronto, Colangelo did a decent job of getting something valuable in return for the expendable guard.

Brezec isn’t the toughest of best men, but a big body is always valuable in the NBA these days. He began the season in Charlotte, but was dealt to Detroit along with Walter Herrmann for Nazr Mohammed back in December.

With big men such as Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson on the roster, there was little to no time for Brezec, who began his career in Indiana. At times, even Herrmann was getting on the court before him in Detroit.

When in good physical shape, Brezec has been a force in the league. His first two seasons in Charlotte, 2004-05 and 2005-06, were his most successful. Healthy for the first time in his career, Brezec averaged 12.7 points and 6.5 rebounds for the Bobcats during those two years.

With the emergence of Emeka Okafor and continued health issues, Brezec fell out of favor in Charlotte and has been reeling ever since. The 28 year-old has a long wingspan and a decent midrange jumpshot, but often struggles defending in the post. This deal isn’t going to push the Raptors over the edge, but it was a no-brainer when you consider how little Dixon was doing in Toronto.

If you’re going to make a minor trade in the NBA, you want to come out with the bigger man if at all possible. In this trade, Colangelo did just that.

Strangely enough, Brezec at times resembles enigmatic center Rasho Nesterovic. The only physical difference between the two is the one inch Primoz has on Rasho. However, if he can remain healthy in Toronto chances are Brezec will leapfrog every big man on the roster not named Bosh or Bargnani.

Grade for Raptors: B

Monetarily, Brezec will make a few hundred thousand more than Dixon this season and both players’ contract will expire at the end of the season.

From the Pistons’ perspective of the deal it seems like a ‘why not’ trade. Brezec wasn’t going to get any run in Detroit, even if someone went down with an injury, so why not swing a trade? In the postseason, the Pistons could end up playing Dixon over guys like Arron Afflalo and Ronald Murray though.

Grade for Pistons: C
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